Topic [88] Excercises to improve RV TKR Remote Viewing Forum August 2003

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River, somewhere around August 4, 2003

How about we pool any excersises for improving RV together.

Prue Calabrese suggested doing any excersise that involved the use of both sides of the body, eg:

[color=Navy]Cross-country skiing
roller-blading
walking with arms swinging
biking
dancing
Doodling with both hands at once

"This is to establish a cross-dominant brain process. Every time you use both hands at the same time you help your brain to be more balanced and as a result you can achieve a higher level of focus."  PC[/color]

An excersise I love doing is to imagine I'm looking DOWN at the stars in the sky. After all there is no 'up' on a globe is there.
It's kind of trippy and makes the mind step out of the normal way of seeing something. If you get the feeling just right you feel like you're going to fall down into the sky. LOL

Another one I've done since I was a kid is to lie in bed on my side and imagine I'm lying on the other side.

I also lay on my back with my eyes closed and [color=Maroon]imagine[/color] doing back flips. You've got to imagine it just as if it's really happening. Get all the dizzy feelings as well. Try it. You'll be surprised where you end up.

Liz

kboyken, somewhere around August 4, 2003

How about playing the piano?  It's creative, and art seems to be associated with psi ability, if I remember correctly.  And it uses both sides of your body.

Or you could take any daily activity and train yourself to become ambidextrous at it.  I've trained myself to shave with either hand, for example.  (And I have the face to prove it!)

Karl

energycritter, somewhere around August 4, 2003

PJ got an e-mail answer from Joe on a different thread regarding the following....

((((When in actuality - within a "single universe" (the remote viewer's) the information will exist in that "single mind" at some point across time/space on it's own accord, without having traveled anywhere - on point of knowing it six months later in Colorado. Since the remote viewer will eventually know it anyway, then the remote viewer knows it always. It is time/space which is the illusion, not the passing of information where the passing of information is really not necessary. It is always in the possession of the remote viewer from the get go.

If someone can bring themselves to understand and trust this, then they have learned the real secret behind remote viewing. It's the viewer's own expectation for targeting exactness that drives the outcome.))))

Considering what Joe is refering to, how would a person practice this....can a person practice the increasing of their faith in their exactness of knowing the unknown exactly as it is? That would be a great thing to know how to do.

or.....is that sort of what we all do when we claim to have been intuitively correct about any data that we believe we gleaned from any psi moment in our lives.

So, can intuitive practice in our daily lives give us RV practice for our RV lives so that in turn we are more accurate about living our daily lives with intuitively accurate exactness. he he

Bottom line, do we practice increasing faith....or, do we have an amount of it and that is it...?

I believe strongly that our faith grows through all of this.

I believe that to read any of these posts on any thread can boost faith in it all.

I am a firm believer in the believing being a driver and the ability to believe being a seed that we all can water and I think we all have been watering each other's seeds.

Thanks for the water....the increase can now come...

SO, back to the topic of this thread, (exercises to improve RV) just keep watching in your daily lives how often you are correct about an intuitive moment or knowingness you experience. Keep open to the exactness of your results improving....keep the faith at all times during your day....never doubt....look for the exactness in every momnet you intuit....then take that good feeling of being exact with you when you try and RV....

BC the EC

Mystic_Rhythms, somewhere around August 4, 2003

Hmm...

This concept of "eventual feedback" combined with "time as an illusion" has been churning around in my noggin for about a week.  And like an old punch-card computer of the 70s, a bell has sounded (ding!) and a small idea has popped out.

To explain, I must add this- I think this is in Mind Trek... the mars session.  With the pyramids, obelisks, big people etc.  His location data matches up with the topology that we can see.  But as far as feedback goes... if that was one million years ago... then I theorize this-

We always recieve feedback.  And it need not be from ourselves in our physical alive state.  IE, it might be later...

My wacky idea for today.  Joes stuff is fun to interpret, as he says it so simply, yet the concepts clearly are not.  At least not to me.  Hurts my brain some days...  ::)

MR

Note- thought I was on the other thread, EC hijacked my train o' thought... will repost later over in the mcmoneagle thread.  Sorry for the confusion hope its not too contagious.

polkadotpuhjommies, somewhere around August 4, 2003

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CREATIVE TOOLS & TECHNIQUES
 
"You cannot teach a man anything;
you can only help him to find it within himself"

Galileo

The creative process is an ongoing exercise. Everything you do that is not habit is creative. Harnessing this creative power and directing it toward new ideas and solving problems is where most people need help.
 

The educational system is poor at teaching children how to retain their inherent creative talents. So much emphasis is put on learning rote memorization of data, that cultivating the imagination is a lost art. Those who do retain this ability are not quite sure, as they mature, how to channel this gift into everyday life. We have here a number of articles that offer useful techniques to enhance the creative process. We invite you to chose those you are drawn to and add them to your own repertoire of talents.
 
PUZZLES ENHANCE CREATIVITY
There are many different kinds of puzzles. Some exercise the left brain and others exercise the right brain. Find out why doing puzzles increases creative potential.  
 
THE POWER OF IMAGINATION
Everything created was given birth through imagination. All form is the outcropping of mind. Before anything becomes formed it was conceived in someone’s mind first through the power of their imagination. The ability to imagine is universal. The power to imagine is not limited by gender, culture, education or intelligence. If more people understood this power they could transform their life accordingly.

 


CREATIVE DREAMING  
We spend one third of our lives asleep. Learning to use the dream state to enhance your creative mind is a potent tool. There are many ways to learn to become lucid in the dream state and to utilize the language of the psyche to benefit our waking life.
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CREATIVE FOCUS  
The ability to direct your focus is an art. All creative work is the result of clarity and the expansion of focused intent. There are two kinds of focus, hard and soft. Every problem or creative project needs to use both kinds of focus to be successful. Learn the difference.
 

FUTURE MEMORY  
A truly creative mind can remember the future. Noted physicists, cosmologists and mathematicians are in agreement with this fact. What we experience as time and space is an illusion. You can penetrate this illusion and access your future as though remembering it in the past. Learn how this is done.  
 

CREATIVE TRIGGERS  
With the use of biofeedback and state-dependent memory you can learn to trigger creative insight in a moment. This is a valuable technique that can be used anywhere at any time to evoke a creative solution to a problem. Once you learn it creative mind will be at your fingertips.  
 

INNER CREATIVITY  
Creative mind is always present in that interval or gap between a conditioned ego response and a spontaneous self-aware intuitive moment. It can be learned. There are several proven methods to create a meaningful gap in our psychological programming and allow our inner creativity to shine through. Find out what they are.  
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CREATIVE MATHEMATICS — Part I
CREATIVE MATHEMATICS — Part II
Mathematics is the cornerstone of science. Mathaphobia is a fear that many people have which cripples their ability to understand science and nature. Read about an excellent book that will dispel your fears of math forever, and thus expand your creative abilities as well.
 

CREATIVE ILLUSION  
How much of what you perceive is illusion and how much is based on fact? You might be surprised at the answer. The way the brain processes information is very different from what most people understand. The five senses are more "elusive" than you might realize. Your creativity depends on your ability to discern between what is "real" and what is "not real". Find out how this is done.
 

CREATIVE CRYPTOGRAPHY  
Cryptography is an old science. People began creating codes as soon as they began to use written language. Many great minds were fascinated by cryptanalysis. It is a great tool for entraining the brain to use both logical and analogical forms of thought. Both are necessary to breaking codes. Both are necessary to creative thought.  
 

CREATIVE CHESS  
Chess is more than just another board game for the competitive spirit. Each piece has a unique mobility upon a deliberate landscape of opportunities. Once you understand the relationships and harmonies between each piece as they relate to the rules of the game, you can play with new insight. Chess will teach you a lot about yourself, and may help you to correct some attitudes that are keeping you from being who you want to be.

 
PREGNANT PAUSE
Intuition is more powerful than linear thought in arriving at new and unique solutions to problems. Our subconscious mind is a powerhouse of ideas that have yet to surface, or never get to the frontal lobe. There are definite ways you can learn to increase your intuitive abilities. At those times when you need an immediate solution to an imposing problem, this technique will save the day.
 

REMOTE VIEWING  
Stanford Research Institute has been training people in this technique for several decades. It has come to light in recent years that our government has been using remote viewing techniques in a variety of ways. This is an ability that anyone can learn, as we all have this talent latent in our minds. We have created a special tool that you can use to practice remote viewing and enhance your own abilities in this area.
 

THE ART OF DOODLING
There is more to passive doodling than meets the eye. What we doodle says a lot about who we are, as well as renders the symbolic language of the subconscious available to the conscious mind. When you are struggling with a problem try this technique as a method of seeing solutions that might otherwise escape your notice. Symbolism is a powerful and creative tool. Doodling helps to explore and reveal its potentials.  
 

IMAGE STREAMING  
Image streaming is a very powerful technique for entraining the brain and opening new neural pathways. The book The Einstein Factor by Win Wenger Ph.D. gives a myriad of image streaming techniques. Any one or a combination of these techniques will unify the brain and create new neural networks.  
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CREATIVE BREATH  
The breath is a powerful vehicle of consciousness. By controlling how we breathe we can control our thoughts and the direction of those thoughts. This is the biological evidence of how the breath alters the brain's frequencies, changes the bodies internal chemistry and results in enhanced creativity.  
 

CREATING HUMOR  
Humor is the magic elixir of life. When you have learned to cultivate your own sense of humor you have harnessed one of the most valuable tools of the mind and heart. Humor allows for detachment and detachment allows for humor. Learn this technique for creating humor in your life and see how your creativity grows as a result.
 

PARADOX
Paradoxes are very useful tools in opening the mind to new ideas and attitudes. Studying paradoxes can unclog the neural networks of habit and launch new pathways of mind. If you do this often, you will begin to resolve some of the age old paradoxes in your own mind, and new vistas of possibility will become clear.  

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[url]http://enchantedmind.com/html/creativity/techniques/techniques.html[/url]



(there are also a few listed in the TDS Basics manual offered on this forum ~ look on left side for Free Methods)

polkadotpuhjommies, somewhere around August 5, 2003

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The mental workshop is a landmark at the interface between Theta and Delta. While meditating you are going from Beta to Alpha to Theta to Delta. The mental workshop is located just before Delta. If you find yourself falling asleep it is because you went into Delta. Anyway you create this workshop/landmark so you can get to a deep theta state easier and easier. When you have created a work shop that you are familiar with you just need to imagine yourself there and you are instantly in a deeply relaxed yet aware state of mind.
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(check out the posting on Silva Mind Control for more on this)

energycritter, somewhere around August 5, 2003

So....we can actually do the finger pressure thing with counting to three to self-hypnotize and then be in the state of the mental workshop......too cool....I must try it....I have yet to do so....here I gooooozzzzzzzzzzZZZ

ZZZZzzzzZZZZzzzzZZZZzzzzZZZZZzzzzzZZZZIdonotwanttogotoschoolletmestayhomepleaseZZZZzzzzZZZZZ

::) ;-) ;-)

BC the EC

wizopeva, somewhere around August 5, 2003

Not to be confused with later waking up and not being sure what side of the bed you are on, what room you are in, or what planet you are on!   ;-)
-E


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Another one I've done since I was a kid is to lie in bed on my side and imagine I'm lying on the other side.

Liz[/quote]

mcfadden, somewhere around August 12, 2003

I find that working my other 'creative tool' in bed at night improves my imagination and ability to RV ;-)

Don_Williams, somewhere around August 13, 2003

Hi,
One thing I've found that helps me to identify items from the super-fast flow of data that bursts in my mind at the beginning of a session (and at various times throughout the session), is practicing at improving my powers of observation.  

What I do is take a magazine, glance at a page for just a brief moment, and then close it and write down all the things from that page I can remember seeing.  Then I check the page to see what all I missed, what I mis-identified, and what I got right.  I've found that doing this for a 10-15 minutes a day starts to improve my RV after a couple days.  I get better picking out objects and other data from the perceptive bursts that happen throughout a session.  I suppose the only I'm improving really has nothing to do with psi itself, I'm just practicing with powers of observation and memory.  
Don

polkadotpuhjommies, somewhere around August 13, 2003

Don, I think your suggestion is super!  It sure makes sense to me.  Thanks  ;-)

Don_Williams, somewhere around August 13, 2003

Polka,
Thanks!  I hope it helps you like it did me.  I wasn't really a very good observer when I really got into RV.  I had to train myself to get better at it.  A lot of things just went unnoticed.  I bet people like cops and investigators or military personnel who study and interpret high-altitude aeral  photos would make good RVers because they trained observers.

Eva's post on the RV techniques thread really says a lot too about how to make yourself a better Rver.

One thing I forgot to mention that has helped me a lot also is meditating as often as I can.  I practice ERV, so the altered state is pretty important  to my results.  I like to be able to hold a calm, clear, empty and quiet mental state for as long as possible - a place of still, receptive, relaxed mind.  

Even when my life is too packed full and I don't have time to really meditate daily plus RV, I try to do it every night as I go to sleep.  I practice holding on to my awareness as long as possible as I drift into the sleep state, stopping dreams as they start and trying to hold my mind empty for as long as possible before I finally conk out.  Other times I just try to remain aware as I drift into the mental stages at the borders of the first sleep state, just feeling the changes in my consciousness.  I think focusing on my mind and how it slides from one state into another helps in RV.  It's like the more time you spend focusing on your own mental states, really living in them as much as you can, makes you so familiar with your own mind that you become better at noticing and perceiving psi data when it comes in.

There are so many things we can do to support our remote viewing efforts that it would really be a fulltime job doing them all!  I wish I could, but life forces me to have a job, work for a living, mow the yard, clean the house, etc., etc. lol.
Best Regards,
Don  

admin, somewhere around August 16, 2003

Well in that 'chop wood, carry water' tradition, one can make the mundania of life an exercise too. :-)

Back in 95 I was doing this RV exercise where I sat down to list the unique colors of everything I could see in the room around me.

What I found pretty fast was that a whole lot of reality I don't have easy words for.  There are lots of colors that don't have a given shade-term unless you're a pantone printer lol.  I looked at this big envelope on my desk and realized I had no color word for it.  It was one of those Kraft envelopes.  But that's a brand, not a color.  It's not brown, it's not orange, it's not tan, it's some bizarre mix of those three.  The list went on...

Then I decided to describe the textures of everything in my living room I could see or feel.  This led to much more enormous complication in terms of (a) lack of words, and (b) the words I tended to use could easily be used also for very different things (which amounts to a lack of words of course).

Right now on my desk I have this funny lamp I found at walmart, that matches two I have in the back rooms.  The one on the desk has three skinny/long goosenecks sticking out of the base, and you can twist them around in any way you want, and turn 1, 2 or 3 of them on.  The shades for them are hard plastic molded things in three colors.  (The floor lamps have 5.)

I run my finger over a shade.  It tickles.  Boy would that seem out of place in a session done on this lamp lol.  I try to describe the texture.  Well it's smooth and yet slightly grainy.  I wouldn't have known that from the visual feedback and as nearly all the lamp is gleaming silver metal... well.  More importantly, that description brings to my mind something like cement, or fabric, which could also be described just that way in many cases.

My point is that a lack of terminology is  big hindrance.  If we can't describe something well when we're looking right at it or touching it, how to do so via psi?

(Lyn Buchanan has several exercises that relate to exploring viewer vocabulary, and kinesthetic and ambient awareness.)

I had a target where I had a helluva time describing the shape or pattern I could clearly sense.  I fumbled like crazy.  I could only come up with, "like curtains", the way they sort of go in and out.  Except slightly less rounded.  It turned out to be this waffle fold in the space station that when I saw it, I went, RIGHT!--but man was it difficult to describe--I could only draw it in profile, I am not a good artist and wasn't capable of drawing it straight on, although that is the way I was sensing it in the session (I had to 'imagine' how it would look if turned to profile for that little sketch bit).  

The tiny sketch bit was a fine match to a unique shape in the target but the point is that my session was really hindered by my inability to clearly put into words what I could clearly sense.  I mean it's hard enough that much of RV is not "clearly" sensed, it's very abstract like a remembered dream from a year ago, so it's a little frustrating when data IS clear yet you still can't express it well.  Communication is the third of the trinity of RV -- information, belief, and communication -- so it's pretty critical to process.

Once in awhile I sit down with my lab book and try to sketch the targets from past targets.  To see, "How would I sketch this if it were my target agan?"--to see if I can teach myself HOW to express those aspects of something so if I get such a sense in a future target I'll be capable of expressing it well.  I'm a terrible artist (childhood trauma lol) so that's really work for me, I can't even draw stick men and have 'em look normal!

But it's a good exercise as part of feedback to see "how would I describe and sketch this target, now that I know what it is, in a perfect session?"-- and see how easy or difficult it is for you to do a really good job of that.  If you have any difficulty after feedback then imagine the complication before. ;-)

PJ

Don_Williams, somewhere around August 16, 2003

Hi Pj,
That's a great exercise!  I have that problem all the time!  You've seen some of my sessions.  I'ma halfway decent artist but that doesn't help when the perceptions aren't visual.

I probably use the word "like" way too many times in my sessions.  It's always because I can't immediately find the right descriptive for what I'm perceiving.  The problem with "like" is that then you need to clear it up - it's "like" this or that, but in what way?

Exercises to improve our vocabulary would most likely help a lot, as would your exercise of trying to identify and escribe everything in the room around you.  That's another one i need to remember!
Don

Atman, somewhere around August 16, 2003

I have been meaning to get the 'Drawing on the right side of the brain' book by Dr. Betty  Edwards which supposedly has many wonderful exercises that can benifit any RVer.I believe Joe McMoneagle highly recommends it.I just checked it out on amazon and theres' a new edition out too.

admin, somewhere around August 16, 2003

I have that book.  I loved it, but stalled out early when I could not find a source of "line drawings" to work from.  Maybe this is stupid.  I realized years later that coloring books are line drawings--though often far too simplistic and unrealistic.  I even went to the Seattle library (this in mid-96) trying to find some 'line drawing' books and failed, other than finding a cartoonist's book which wasn't what I needed.  I would LOVE to do this book's exercises formally--maybe we could make it a project in the special projects section of TKR -- working through it gradually, with others on a schedule if others are interested.  But finding a good source of line drawings is critical.  If I could find a source, I could arrange for private uploads or PEM email attachments so others could use them too.

PJ

polkadotpuhjommies, somewhere around August 16, 2003

I just tried a web search to see what might come up.
First I tried line drawings then
line drawings nature

Lots came up. I don't know what you are looking for but is the net a possibility?  I know researching these things take a lot of time.  If you want some help let me know.

admin, somewhere around August 17, 2003

Given I pretty much live on the net (as my job is here) I ought to have thought of that--I don't buy anything without reading amazon reviews and things like that--but at the time I was looking it was early to mid96 and there wasn't a ton of stuff on the web at that point.  But now, you're right--there must be.  What a great idea!!  Thanks!  PJ

PS  Recently I watched the latest incarnation of the movie 'the Time Machine'.  I was dreaming last night about this conversation and drawing.  I wondered what I could draw.  Then I ended up in another dream where someone said (this relating to the movie I assume) that the moon was breaking up.  I thought, Oh no!  I have to go see.  So I went and looked at the moon.  And in the dream, it was so AMAZING -- I was just close enough that it filled my whole range of vision, and I could see every darn nook and cranny and crater on it, and I was just stunned by the ... CLARITY of it.  Reminds me of when I first got into RV I thought it was 'viewing' literally and I'd have these dreams where I would see people's faces, on a black background, with the most stunning stark clarity imaginable.  The moon was like that.  I was in awe.  Then I thought, "I should sketch THIS.  Granted it would take a long time to get right.  Granted it's mostly just uneven terrain and it's not a line drawing.  But the subtle details of the shading are incredible.  I could certainly learn something from practicing that."  I hung around looking at our amazing moon for awhile after that, before falling back to dreamless sleep. :-)

mindchild, somewhere around August 17, 2003

I'm an artist and the book "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" is wonderful.  

I hadn't thought of this, but the exercise where you copy a line drawing upside down would probably be very helpful here.  The analytical right brain has a harder time interfering with what you are really seeing, and the result can be impressive.

Laurie

Don_Williams, somewhere around August 17, 2003

I'm up for the project if we can find a good source for the line drawings.  Maybe the ones that Polk found will work.  I've never read the book so I don't know anything about it, but anything to help teach the analytical, rationalizing part of our minds to keep quiet sounds like a great project to me!  I'm excited about it.
Don

admin, somewhere around August 17, 2003

I can't draw worth a damn, so it was really cool to me to see the exercises results -- and frankly the before and after pics she included from students are downright inspiring!

PJ

mindchild, somewhere around August 17, 2003

I've been looking for some line drawings on the web for people to try, so here are some possibilities.   If a drawing looks like  it would take too long to copy, then try copying a section of a drawing.  I found that the most productive searches included the word "gallery", in case anyone else decides to do some searches.

Portraits
http://www.gordonart-gallery.com/id__4.htm

http://www.npg.si.edu/cexh/eye/html/l_wyeth.htm

http://www.janeswift.co.uk/gallery_sample.htm

Portraits by masters
http://www.getty.edu/art/collections/objects/oz88.html

http://www.visi.com/~reuteler/leonardo.html

Landscapes
http://www.anaurora.co.uk/Aut2002/ArtArtFineLineDrawings.htm

http://www.twoforjoy.btinternet.co.uk/gly/irwell.JPG

http://www.twoforjoy.btinternet.co.uk/gly/streetscene.JPG

An interior
http://www.twoforjoy.btinternet.co.uk/gly/boscombe.JPG

Drawings of buildings, etc.
http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/gallery/oldgallery/lines.html

I think I may do some right brain, upside down copying myself.  I need to get my left brain to shut up for awhile  ;-)
Laurie

mindchild, somewhere around August 17, 2003

In my last post, some illustrative portraits got in with what I labeled "landscapes", but oh well, I need to go get a cuppa coffee anyway  ;)

I'm in the same room with my family, and they've been watching Futurama reruns, funny, but I need a little quiet  :o

Oh, for my own quiet room!

Laurie

mindchild, somewhere around August 17, 2003

OK, I really am going to shut up after this, but here is a link to some of the stuff PJ was talking about - the before and after drawings done by students.  

http://www.drawright.com/gallery.htm

Laurie

admin, somewhere around August 17, 2003

Oh my gosh!  Laurie those are great!!  Yeah -- and the ones in the books are different of course -- it's like, so mind boggling... how I WISH I could do her five day course!  That would be so cool. :-)

PJ

mindchild, somewhere around August 17, 2003

Hi PJ,
I'm glad the links look good!
I would love to do her five day course too!
Learning to see is a neverending adventure   ;-)
Laurie

energycritter, somewhere around August 18, 2003

I love this art/drawing idea...

I have not yet looked into all of the sites attached to the posts....I will soon...overall, I like the idea and I need to try and follow along with this plan. I need to reread this entire thread.

The other night, before I started a session for Tunde's targets, I tried to write words with my left hand......that was truely funny....it didn't work well at all......I was actually surprised to see how bad I did...my left hand is needing help....

BC the EC

mindchild, somewhere around August 18, 2003

OK, I might be way out in left field here, so let me know if that's the case.  I am taking baby steps with RV, and I'm re-reading Joe M's book "Remote Viewing Secrets" and I've been wondering if the Location Test over on gotpsi.com could be an exercise of sorts for this.

The reason I'm bringing it up is that I'm trying to practice discipline  (my mind wanders and starts trying to imagine and "figure it out" if nothing seems to come to me right away).   I notice that when I clear my mind (as much as I'm currently able) and disregard what seems like subconscious guesses or attempts to analyse the situation, something that may resemble a signal gets through, and that's when I come closest to the target.

I usually get excited if I've had 3 or 4 in a row that are really close, then it falls apart and I have to put myself through a relaxation process and then try again.  So, I'm wondering if this is a valid exercise for discipline regarding right brain activity and relaxation, etc.

I am used to being in my right brain, but not quite in this way, when doing artwork I am busy working to create something, to recognize opportunities provided by the medium, etc., it seems like a different process here, and I find it very exciting, which may be part of the problem...I don't know  ;-)

You may tell me that I'd be better to practice RV, and I'm doing that, but hey, I said I'm taking baby steps here  ;-)

So, what do you guys think?

Laurie

Don_Williams, somewhere around August 18, 2003

Hi laurie,
IMO, anything you can practice that relates to psi in any way is helpful.  When I can find enough time, I go to gotpsi too.  I think it's good to mix it up, to work your psi abilities in many different ways.
Best,
Don  

mindchild, somewhere around August 18, 2003

Hi Don,
Hey! wow, thanks for the fast answer ;-)
That sounds good.  It makes sense to mix it up.  
Laurie

Fire, somewhere around August 18, 2003

Hi Laurie,

Well being an artist, you might consider making up some of your own exercises.  RV is really still in its infancy in many ways, and there is plenty of room for creative exploration.  There is no requirement that somebody be some Official Guruine (hey, I just invented that word, I love doing that!) to do so.

For example, one of my interests for about 10 years or so has been 'Aspect Psychology', a term author Jane Roberts came up with a few decades ago.  I like archetype meditations and have spiritual pursuits that seem to tie back into a multiplicity of identity or things like that.  So I made up this process of "Aspect RV" as I call it, that goes through putting myself in the shoes of various "aspects of self," and asking what THEY think of a target or a given aspect of it.  When my contact isn't good it's useless; when target contact IS good, it's really cool.

Well along the lines of just taking interests and disciplines one already is into and adapting them to be a tool in RV (not really a form of RV--just an 'exercise' that 'applies to' RV), maybe you could do something with art.

For example, as I think Shelia mentioned either here or on the stargate list, sometimes it isn't what a viewer draws or sculpts during a methods stage for that which is relevant; sometimes, it has about zip to directly do with the shape of the target; but sometimes, the PROCESS of doing so 'opens one up' to information.

So for example, in Aspect RV, it's simply that I am opening up to parts of myself which are already there for the RV process, I'm just making a point to use the process of 'allowing that aspect of myself to communicate'.

Well you could start off casual--not trying to make this an RV session, don't worry much about accuracy, just work something out so you can review it and question, "How was my mind working there?  How did I feel when I wrote X down?  What was I thinking or doing right before X came to me?"

You could for example, sketch creative patterns on the side of the page, and every 1/2" or so, sketch a unique little 'tip/arrow/flower/protrusion' into the page, and next to that, just write down whatever you feel about the target right then, 'for that point'.  -)on't just the info, just do it.  The info may be about the target, or it may be about you--it may be untrackable--it isn't really important, this is an experiment.  

Just do that, or whatever creative thing you can think of  for a couple of pages.  

(What kind of border, box, shape, do you 'feel like' drawing around X piece of data?  Or drawing, and then writing something in it or around it?  Can you review this after several sessions and see some personal response going on there, that might affect your choices?  The list goes on.)

When done, just thoughtfully consider it.  -)id working art into the process of RV seem to help at all?

I think you should be bold and creative and just see what you can come up with.  -)Oing it is the key: just do it, record it, don't consider it a test, just a curiosity, and after awhile, review the sessions.  You might be surprised.

PJ

mindchild, somewhere around August 18, 2003

Hi PJ,
!!!
I haven't done archetype meditations, but wondering if this is something similar to what I encountered during hypnosis a few years ago.  I was wanting to deal with some issues that were in my way, and I met some characters that I realized were aspects of myself.

I like the idea of asking different aspects of self what they think of a target.  A little overwhelming in a way, but I like this.

Well, and then concerning the rest of this that you suggested, I feel like I've been hit with some serious thought bombs  :o  ;-) !!    Pretty exciting stuff.  It's freeing to start thinking of the process here, and play with it.  I can see it's a good way to stretch and grow.   I'll do this.

Thanks ever so much!

Laurie

admin, somewhere around August 18, 2003

Hi Laurie,

Yeah the archetype stuff is powerful!--and cool.  I recommend Edwin Steinbrecher's "Inner Guide Meditation" -- truly an excellent book for many reasons, the main of which is his take on active archetype meditations.  -)one in the right state of mind, and practiced to the point of facile ease, they are not only pretty amazing as experiences, but can radically change your reality.

It's important to really focus on what you want right off though, because one the psychology figures out just how mind bendingly powerful these are as reality tools, the level of complication that interferes with "getting around to doing them" is downright humorous.  ;-)
PJ

admin, somewhere around August 18, 2003

Oh, one other note about art and RV.  There is often a tendency for anybody (even the artistically handicapped like myself) to "feel like" drawing one sort of thing, vs. another, even in seemingly abstract things.  If you feel like drawing hard thick lines, sharp angles, it means something different than when you feel like drawing light wavy lines and swirls--I know that sounds obvious but sometimes people don't think about it; the info comes through us in a variety of ways.

The TDS (Calabrese's) method has as the first step a "random long scribble" (my words for it).  What's funny is how in retrospect you can often see how shapes or even 'feeling' in the target ended up in that.  Actually there ought to be some example of that... hold on.  (...) OK.  Here's a couple examples from a few sessions I did in TDS format last year, of what I'm talking about--these kind of show it--how even a 'random scribble' prior to a session (or rather, as the first move in it) gives you the 'feel' of things.

There are certainly other session issues more relevant to taking literally as data, but I thought this was a good example of what I meant about letting it happen and making connections later (they don't have to be this literal for form-match, by the way):

[img]http://www.firedocs.com/remoteviewing/misc/Ex01_TDS_TvsTargetForm.gif[/img]

[img]http://www.firedocs.com/remoteviewing/misc/Ex02_TDS_TvsTargetForm.gif[/img]

Hope that kind of gives an idea of what I mean.

PJ

mindchild, somewhere around August 19, 2003

Hi PJ,
Thanks for the book recommendation, this is all really interesting stuff!  What did you mean by

"...because one the psychology figures out just how mind bendingly powerful these are as reality tools, the level of complication that interferes with "getting around to doing them" is downright humorous. " ?

Do you mean that there is a resistance to using these tools?   Sometimes I think that there is a kind of surface tension to break though, a strange resistance to doing the very things that are so exciting and compelling - I kick myself often for it  ;-)

Thanks for posting the examples.  I am SO excited about the possibilities here!   In art language, the random scribbles would be called gestures, or gesture drawings, because of capturing the gesture of the subject, rather than the anatomy of it.  Artists and art students do it when the subject (target  ;)  ) is sitting right in front of them and it's important for the resulting drawing.   The convergence here is really blowing my mind, yet it makes such sense.

I think I'm going to have the house to myself for a little while today and I'm hoping to give this a try.  

Thanks so much for posting this.
Laurie
PS - those are REALLY nice gesture drawings, btw - don't sell yourself short on the artistic front.  

mindchild, somewhere around August 19, 2003

Hey PJ,
Reading back through my post, I realize I neglected to say that I'm gobsmacked over here by the images you posted!  ;-)   Gawd, I want to feel that kind of connection you got with the targets.   That has to be pretty wonderful.


Thanks again!
Laurie

polkadotpuhjommies, somewhere around August 19, 2003

[quote]"...because one the psychology figures out just how mind bendingly powerful these are as reality tools, the level of complication that interferes with "getting around to doing them" is downright humorous. " ?[/quote]


Yikes!  .....and truer words were never spoken!  :o

I am going through this right now and have been for the past 2 months.....and even when I realize what's going on, I still cave into the distractions.

    I haven't quite put my finger on the reason yet...but it seems that the more success I have in psi things, the worse the tendency becomes to stall doing more.

    Is it fear of success?  dunno....  :-/  Is it fear of finding flaws in psi things?  dunno..... :-/  Is it ego wanting to be 'always right' and therefore, not wanting anything but perfection and anything less than perfection spoils the experience?   dunno...  :-/ Is it fear of becoming too powerful in ones own mind?  dunno  :-/  but I suspect it's all of these things ( & more ) in greater or lesser degrees.


....and now, 5 minutes later, while thinking about this, here is another one...due to psi accuracy and the personal belief (with proof) that indeed, psi works, when we have many successes beyond the odds in our 'knowings' is it enough to knock our habit/dependency of logical thinking off balance?...enough so that we hang around in the safe zone more and dare to tread in the 'other zone too often" because we don't want to have to contend with giving our right brain too much influence over us?...dunno  :-/  :-/

.....Gonna start a new thread about ' Doubts and how to over come them'   see ya there   ;-)

admin, somewhere around August 19, 2003

Hi again,

[quote]What did you mean by "...because once the psychology figures out just how mind bendingly powerful these are as reality tools, the level of complication that interferes with "getting around to doing them" is downright humorous." ? Do you mean that there is a resistance to using these tools?[/quote]
Yes.

I've come to think of my psychology rather like a... group of energies--a "community".  Jane Roberts' Aspect Psychology comes closest to this model.

I think what we call our subconscious and conscious is an in-flux, variable, somewhat arbitrary division of our so-called 'self'.  Think of the self like a big stew--tons of different ingredients, all flavoring the others to some degree, some larger or smaller, stronger or more bland, more blendive (sorry, I just invented that word) or more singular and holding their own form.  

All those ingredients are, to varying degree, their own identities, their own things.  We consider it all one identity--the "I" (generally the "I" belongs to whatever identity has the "eye" lol).

I think our "conscious" mind is kind of like, the top 1/8" surface of that big pot of stew--it's what's on top at any given moment.  There are some energies (ingredients) which due to their nature (weight) are nearly always near the top.  There are others which are nearly always more near the bottom.  Everything else, can be anywhere--mix it up well and what is on top changes.  

I think our conscious mind is like that: not nearly as consistent or static as we think, and given to various energies constantly floating up to the surface or fading down below as we encounter different things through the day.  The only constant is our 'sense of identity'.  The composite of energies that makes up that identity we consider "us", I see that as constantly in flux.

I consider the "subconscious" to be a word we staple onto the group of "everything that is NOT 'on top' at any given moment."

So in archetype meditations, we (the part conscious for that moment) are talking with we (the part not fully conscious for that moment).  In an altered state and after some practice to develop skill, it becomes an amazingly autonomous experience.

Those aspects of self, although on some level they might wish to better integrate with us (? I don't know that for sure!), are in their own regard... arbitrarily defined... identities.  It might only be consciousness that does the definition of what is identity of course, but those "Aspects of Self" have their own sense of self-preservation.

Say our reality has some real problem.  We decide to meditate on that problem via archetype meds.  Our reality is going to change.  In many cases, it's not just our relationship with a given energy, it's the fact that it's in our life at all.  

(Try doing archmeds on someone you can't stand who is in your life, if you can find anybody like that.  Very shortly they'll either become a decent human being or they will vanish from your life, no matter how unlikely both may seem at the time of the meditations!)

Well think about it.  That person is reflecting an energy inside ourselves--that's why archetype meditations work so astonishingly well when done well.

When a company has a problem, and they want to better organize and clean things up, what often happens?  They lay off employees.  They cut down on the extraneous stuff they didn't really need so desperately, and focus more on better integration of core people and departments and more energy into the fundamental needs like sales and mfg and loss-preventions (like QC).

Well the company thinks it's a great idea, right?  They're moving forward so they're going to let go of THAT energy (employee A) and THIS energy (employee B) and take the energy (money) they spent on that previously, and put it toward something else.  Perfect solution.

The employee is not real happy about this.

It is beside the point that if the company doesn't consider them important enough to keep, the company doesn't deserve them, and they'd have a better future somewhere else.  

To the employee, that only matters once they find another job and can rationalize the past, LOL.  At the time of the parting, the employees are *scared* of being fired.  That job is what they are attached to, it's their lifeblood (money=energy), they don't know what they'll do if it ends, they don't want to be fired.

Well maybe sometimes when it comes to energy baggage--various blocks and fears we've got--it's kind of like that.  Maybe that energy is just as legit a part of us as anything else--we're a conglomerate without the "Inc." after it :-) -- but maybe when we reorganize ourselves, we are often changing and/or letting go of certain energies.  Maybe those energies frankly aren't ready to be let go of.  

So like some employees afraid of being laid off, they may become self-protective, subversive, subtly calculating, manipulative, finding any number of ways to ensure their own security.  They don't want to get Ax'd!

And the 'surface identity' we call 'us' (place name here), feels like "parts of them are conspiring against them" actually getting to the point of DOing what they are most interested in doing--something which in fact will result in the potential change and/or loss of parts of self that are not ready to go and they-we certainly ARE conspiring against the rest of us-we changing things.

[quote]Thanks for posting the examples.[/quote]
Sure. When I have the time I try to give actual examples for stuff.  

I might add that I am not a great viewer, have never and I'm sure will never claim to be one, mostly because I have spent the last 8 years working 80+hrs/wk plus being a single mom for the last 3, and my idea of RV practice is a few times a week having if I'm lucky 10-20 minutes (total--that is preparation, cool down, plus session time) uninterrupted.  My kid just turned 7, school starts next week, and although I'm in a heavy work time right now (in denial late tonight, is why I'm posting here :-)), I'm hoping that by Oct I can finally get my OWN life--for something besides work, kids and sundry mundania.  

Anyway, so my examples shouldn't be taken as an example of anything except an 'eternal student' as I usually put it.  I'm no great expert at knowing and far less at doing (formally anyway).

[quote]I am SO excited about the possibilities here!   In art language, the random scribbles would be called gestures, or gesture drawings, because of capturing the gesture of the subject, rather than the anatomy of it.[/quote]
I have immense admiration for artists, partly because it's so outside me!  I like that word, 'gesture', I wouldn't have thought of a word like that to mean what you explain.

[quote]those are REALLY nice gesture drawings, btw - don't sell yourself short on the artistic front. [/quote]
Well I have to be honest--they weren't meant to be that, or maybe Prudence DID mean for them to be that but what would I know, lol--they're just what I call an 'intuitive scribble'.  I didn't know they had anything to do with the target at the time.

I actually thought of them differently, until I saw the occasional ref they had to target form--when I was in school I had a teacher who used to tell students to scribble all over the top half of their paper and write on the bottom--because so many were 'intimidated' he felt, by the blank white paper, and funny enough it worked, it's like anything that got their hand going helped!  So that's how I had been thinking of it until after those sessions where I noticed gee, look at that....

Also, to further implode any idea you might have that any skill on my part is reflected there LOL--the other sessions done in that period in that method did NOT have any obvious match.  Those two happened to, which is why I shared them.  I did several others that didn't.  

But I thought of all this we've been talking about because even during sessions, with ideograms which I use a lot just for their 'feel', it's obvious that different targets invoke not just different Ids (sometimes...!), but a whole different 'feeling' about what one feels like drawing, even when it's just scribbles.  When I feel like scratching really hard, dark, or even pounding with the pen, it is clearly different than when I feel like drawing lilting little bubble doodles.  I've always wondered if someone would come up with a 'doodle RV' exercise and eventually flesh it out into a real tool that worked for them.

I'd love to see any creative ideas you come up with. :-)

PJ

mindchild, somewhere around August 20, 2003

Hi PJ,
I believe I agree with what you wrote about the conscious and subconscious, although I don't think I've thought it through as well as you wrote, thank you for that.  I will look into Jane Robert's book.  

Your description of how aspects of self could be wanting to preserve themselves rings true to me.   Perhaps integration is the goal in the end, or a goal towards simplicity.  You're right, it does get pretty amusing sometimes, the lengths we can go to, to avoid the things we want to do.   Funny also, that the fear of facing parts of ourselves can be far worse than actually facing them.  This is one thing I found in hypnosis, that some of my fears were laughable once I understood them,   hmmmm....actually those "scary" or apparent negative parts of ourselves need compassion as well as any other, since they are parts of ourselves trying, however badly, to preserve us.  Knowledge of self is a tough one, but an adventure!  

You are busy!  I don't know how you find the time at all for yourself.  Yes, please post more examples when you get a chance though.  The ones you posted hit me at a gut level that was very helpful.  

I don't know if I'll come up with anything, maybe as I practice RV (haven't had any teachers or training, just using online RV targets and reading books), something will come to me.    

Thanks again for your informative and thought provoking posts, I'll be reading through them again and thinking more about all this.   ;-)

Laurie

mindchild, somewhere around August 20, 2003

Hey Polka,
When are you going to start that thread "Doubts and how to over come them".  Sounds good! ;-)
Laurie

admin, somewhere around August 20, 2003

She already did. :-)  Er... somewhere!  I know I posted on it!  I am almost sure I didn't just dream that.  ;-)

Untrained Viewers

Laurie, this idea that people have to be 'trained' in RV, I just don't buy it.  I've had a few different kinds of training, some formal and some sworn to secrecy, some by experts and some by 'student graduates', not to mention exposure to other forms of divination.  Yet this has only made me more inclined to credit the viewer and recommend self-training as a first approach.

I have encountered some good viewers who bought a Joe McMoneagle book and had at it, according to his direction.  They are no worse and in some cases probably better than many people 'formally' trained in an 'RV method' (but as I don't know every viewer alive, obviously, I can only speak from my limited experience set!).  

It all comes down to the individual.  I don't think formal training is a prerequisite, or that without it, someone just isn't qualified to talk about something or claim skill at it.  I think it has value; but it isn't 'required'.

RV Training

Try to remember that MOST RV training in this field (not all) is a few days learning how to write things down on paper (for the most part).  All the REAL training is self-training, and comes AFTER that through regular practice of the method learned.  Various methods-on-paper are free online.  And you can work on your own with or without training.  It might not be quite the same as training with a person, but that isn't the point: the info is available.

So don't dismiss yourself for not being 'trained' and so not being as expert to talk about something.  In doing so, by inference it dismisses good and worthwhile viewers who also aren't "trained" except by themselves.

Education isn't just formal...

Half the conversation had online--some of which are archived in various email lists or on websites--have more info of value to new viewers than a 3x training would have--hands-on stuff from viewers of all sorts.  A lot of education is found in informal conversations, inter-disciplinary sorts especially.

I am not dissing education of any kind, as I respect it greatly (though I do not confuse 'schooling' with 'education'--you can easily have either without the other)--I believe no knowledge is ever wasted--and that all knowledge has 'potential' that can be 'unfolded' depending on the students' own ability.  

I'm not saying training in a psychic method designed for RV, like CRV or the many methods which have followed, doesn't have value, I really think it does.  

But teaching yourself has value too--I have noticed that do-it-yourself-ers often have a real savvy and hands-on understanding that even college graduates in a topic haven't got, oddly.  The people I know who are best at things are the ones that taught themselves, even when they sometimes later then had formal training just to add to their knowledge base.  

[color=Teal]You can only teach yourself once.  You can always take training after that.  But once trained, you can never 'teach yourself'.  If you see what I mean. ;-)[/color]

What you may lack in the security of feeling like you know what you're doing, you also lack in the number of belief systems, models and assumptions that people buy as a hidden part of education they usually don't even realize.  That has huge advantages too.

If psi is part of humanity, why do we gotta learn it?

My belief is that psi is innate to every human being.  That we live and breathe it every moment.  That the nature of reality and perception are based on it... that  we are swimming in a soup of energy/info, and biologically and culturally are trained to exclude everything but what is considered relevant--to biology and to culture.  It's true, some edu and training helps us expand our boundaries. That doesn't mean we couldn't have found a way to expand them without that particular edu bought.

RV by definition

It is true that RV 'traditionally' in the last few decades is a generally semi-alert altered state where data is recorded or written down.  But the definition of RV isn't about method.  Technically, if you do it within a decent RV protocol, you can stand on your head and RV.  You can channel or OBE or lucid dream or use tarot cards or automatic writing or scrying in a black mirror or a formal method "for" RV like CRV -- to do RV.  

RV by definition has two parts.  The first describes all true psychic work. The second suggests it must be psi work done within an 'accepted protocol'.  That definition is referring to the set of situational rules surrounding the session--protocol is usually used in the singular, in this case--NOT to the method used IN the session.  Some people call session rules 'protocols'--plural--this can be really confusing for newbies.

Good Viewers

If you read Swann's autobiography (To Kiss Earth Goodbye), his description of his method of psi sounds more like Silva, or like a 'natural psychic' method--of course, he IS 'natural psychic'--he talks about imagining projecting himself out of his body, for example.  Swann has some of the most impressive remote viewing in the world, so quite obviously, the fact that he was NOT using the 'methods' that he invented--a decade later for people who were NOT as 'naturally psychic'--did not harm his ability to remote view accurately.

My point is that most the best viewers in the world are self-trained.  Some later got training in one or even dozens of psychic 'methods' out of interest, but the bottom line is, they hoisted themselves up by their bootstraps, read everything they could, made an effort to do things right and worked their ass off on it (wonder if that word will get past the auto-cleanser of this software ;-)).  There's no reason others can't do that also.  Especially given there are so many people now in the public who have had 'training' and experience and can add their own perspective into the mix.

Segregating RV

I support the definition of RV as working in an RV protocol--without that, a ton of what makes RV legit and healthy is lost.

But as long as RV (via methods) is thought of as something that is proprietary and only some sources have it and only people who paid for it are really viewers, the whole field loses.  In many different ways.

We're all in this together.  Newbies with no training today have a better situation than most people recently trained did many years ago, believe me.  And in a month or so it'll get even better.  There is a wide-open door for this field to grow.  

For all the infighting about whose guru or religion--er, "method"--is better, eventually a lot of self-taught upstarts are going to come along and kick everybody's butts in demos and we'll get over that. ;-)

Freeing RV--and making it impossible to repress

As long as RV is only found in corners of expense or cliques or secrets, I don't think it is really going to survive over the long term, outside the lab it'd be just one more fad 50 years from now.  

But I think the more people are educated--even ad-hoc from websites like this one--the more people are made aware that is in their power to be good at this and they CAN be, and only learning the protocol and working really hard is the answer (all the details start coming on their own in that format), the more chance the world at large has of learning this, and understanding it, and hands-on working on it.

And so, the better for RV--the more people who are unafraid to go forth and DO this without some official government or school telling them "You have a piece of paper now qualifying you!"--the more it will be unkillable by the various factions that seem to want to.

So have it.  Talk, view, theorize, you don't need to be 'trained' to be welcome--or to be equal in conversation.  You have your own skills and experiences and many of them probably apply very well to RV, you probably just don't know it yet!

PJ

energycritter, somewhere around August 20, 2003

That was beautiful PJ, what a nourishing post for us all, especially those of us that are new and on our own.....

Kudos...

;-) ;-)

BC the EC

mindchild, somewhere around August 20, 2003

Thank you SO much PJ!!

Your words are nourishing indeed.  I'm going to save your post on my PC, where I can look at it again and again.

Nice to see you BC!

Laurie

Don_Williams, somewhere around August 20, 2003

PJ,
Damn, what a post that was!!!  Your ability to articulate RV and all the peripheal issues is downright amazing!  That post was the single best overview I've ever seen on remote viewing in general.

I really think this site, TKR, is going to swiftly surpass every other available place to get RV info anywhere - on the net or off.  There's never been anything quite like it that I'm aware of.  The determined non-sectarian approach of this site is what makes it a good place for all of us to come to and learn from each other.  

I've already picked up half a dozen new things from you, Eva, Bc, Polka, Mystic Rhythms, and others.  Many of them were things that are only peripheally related to RV but many times those kinds of new tricks or exercises are the best.  Since (I believe) all psi - telepathy, precognition, dowsing, clairvoyance, etc. - are all different expressions of the same faculty, it seems that often approaching from a different avenue gives me a big boost in my RV results.

And now you will learn about.....how I just can't get over what a great site this is...you guys on staff are doing a tremendous job!   ;-)   rofl!
Don

polkadotpuhjommies, somewhere around August 20, 2003

CLAP CLAP CLAP !  ;-)

    PJ...that posting is pure gold!

[move]pdPJ is doing the happy dance again  ;-)[/move]

Atman, somewhere around August 20, 2003

PJ

Are you trying to create a 'disturbance in the force'? ;-)(creating ripples of intent in the matrix)

Yes ,PJ, the informal talk in here is quite informative and i hope to stick around to ride this wave into the unknown and see how big it gets ;-)

Thanks for sharing PJ

Jon

polkadotpuhjommies, somewhere around August 20, 2003

[quote] i hope to stick around to ride this wave into the unknown and see how big it gets[/quote]

Surf's up dude   8)  We're getting into the good stuff now  ;-)

River, somewhere around August 20, 2003

Wow, what a great thread!

I'm a water colour artist and have read 'Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain'. If we get a class going I'll be in it for sure.

One of the best tips I got from the book was to practice drawing somthing upside down. Someone else mentioned it but I'll just add that I think it's very helpful to do. It gets you to stop drawing what you think is there and start drawing what really is there.

Another is to sit with a peice of paper and draw the outline of something. DON"T look at what you're doing on the paper. It's not about the end result it's about what you see. Most of the time our minds assume something is round, square etc. But that is rarely true. So practicing to see even an outline as it really is is quite a challenge.

Art is very mathimatical. It's just a composite of shapes. It's got nothing to do with what we 'think' is there. A face isn't really a circle, it's not even an oval. A 'v' shaped  vase isn't really 'v' shaped.

It's also interesting to take note of what's called 'negative space'.
Imagine a white square with a black triangle in the center of it. The negative space is the shape of the white square minus the triangle. It you can take note of the shape of the negative space it helps to clarify the shape of the positive space (the black triangle). This can be very helpful when trying to define some obscure shapes and get them down on paper.

PJ you could become a fine artist by the end of the day if you start to see everything like a geometrical jigsaw puzzle. Lots of little shapes all joined up together.

If you do one little piece of the puzzle at a time, taking note of how it connects to the next bit, then by the time you've finished connecting the bits you'll end up with a fairly acurate drawing.  :o

Cheers Liz

admin, somewhere around August 20, 2003

Well so far I draw like a six year old but I'm sure open to improvement.:-)  I mean, it can only get better! ::)

The line drawing links were cool but not exactly what I was hoping for. Most seem too complex.  The line drawing examples Betty has in her book (the version I read in 1996) are more clear and simple--not coloring book simple (those are often charicatures), but getting there.  Still, more advanced coloring books might be a decent option.  Those, at least, I could surely find plenty of here on location. ;-)

(My friend says there are 'adult coloring books'.  That sounds kind of cool.  I hope it doesn't make me sound too ditzy but I liked the doodle-art posters with markers I used to get as a teen, and I think some cool looking pics would be fun to sit and color once in awhile!)

If we could, between us who are interested, find and hand-pick, each about a dozen line art drawings--from simplest to advanced--I could put them in an online pool easily (either scan & upload, or mail me), have someone artistic sequence them in difficulty, and then have a real 'book club' workthrough in the projects section, where 3 line drawings a week and a chapter are assigned or something like that.

The reason I'm sort of pushing the idea is because I personally think there are some desperate needs in viewer development--concurrent practices that touch on intuition, art, psychology, and communications are on the list of what really should be incorporated into the process.  So this is a chance to start small but important, and develop something that will not only be FUN for us, but make TKR that much better a resource for having it.

Liz (River) is TKR staff so she'd be great for sequencing and so forth -- and she's been itching to run SOME fun project, since I keep NOT finishing the TKR galleries darn it. My time is mostly limited to my one post at a time here (good thing I type about 120wpm!!), and not the larger blocks I need for real coding.  (I flip between posting here, and a long list of work stuff I do in pieces.)  Eric has been itching to do a book-club kind of project too, but he'll likely be offline for a few weeks, but we could spend that time collecting line art and other things that might be great tools.

Remember that the point of archives is to allow people who follow to learn, too.  So, even if it were only half a dozen of us doing something, bear in mind that viewers coming in six months, a year, 2 years from now, might be delighted to find such a project in archives and all the tools there for walking through it themselves.  It wouldn't be a ton of work for each of us to search out and upload or mail some line drawings for the pool, but the compiled result would be cool!

PJ

polkadotpuhjommies, somewhere around August 21, 2003

okay!  I'm on it!  (my scanner is a dud, but I can send links and/or copy the pictures and email.

What email address should we use for sending the drawings etc?  

Sounds like fun!  (I'm an artist also - decorative & some water color & used to do the old fashioned porcelain painting, known as China Painting (overglazes) that you see in todays antique shops.

energycritter, somewhere around August 21, 2003

Count me in too!!!

My wife hooked up the new scanner yesterday.

Art was my minor in college, spelling was my major... :P

BC

admin, somewhere around August 21, 2003

OK!  Great!

Well, anyone who wants to play here, collect 12 line art drawings ranging from the simplest to advanced, from books or internet or coloring books or newspapers or whatever.  

Once you have all 12, you can:

1. Scan (at 150dpi TIF PC format, color--if you have a slow dialup, make it GIF instead. If the pic is tiny, scan at a zoom like 200% to enlarge it.)  OR

2.  Get URL (right-click on an image on the internet, and choose the 'properties' option. That has the whole path and filename. Copy that and paste it into an email.) OR

3.  Mail (PEM me for address).

You can click on my name next to any post at TKR, or at the bottom of the main page when I am logged in (which is usually as I use the "always stay logged in" option--so it looks like I'm here, even when I'm not!) which will take you to the 'profile' page.  My email address is there.

I'd rather a scan or URL, but I can scan for anybody who hasn't got the equipment.  

If you can't find 12, do what you can.  But we could spend a few weeks in prep mode, it would do the project good.

When everyone who's said by then they'd like to play has responded, I'll put the pic refs in a little datatable with a sequence#. Make a page to view them. Get a staff member to manage the book club part and the art part (I bet Eric and Liz really appreciate my volunteering them without asking...).

I can also make it so if any diehards want to upload the sketch they made, they can.  But that might require me showing someone how truly pathetic I am at art. I'm not sure I could bear the humiliation. ;-)

PJ

polkadotpuhjommies, somewhere around August 21, 2003

[quote]Art was my minor in college, spelling was my major[/quote]

.....and the spelling is the BS part right??  ;-)

   

    I haven't found it yet, but I have something interesting about poor spelling and psi people.  I used to win the spelling bees and now my spelling is horrendeous.   :-[

    It has gotten so bad that I find that I will have to change the wording of a thought in order to be able to write it cause I can't remember how to spell the word I REALLY wanted to use.  ::)

    I will find the article...before I forget.... yup...that's another part of me on the wane....the memory...OMG, this getting older isn't for sissys   ;-)  (sissies ?)

energycritter, somewhere around August 21, 2003

pdPJ said>>>>It has gotten so bad that I find that I will have to change the wording of a thought in order to be able to write it cause I can't remember how to spell the word I REALLY wanted to use.  <<<<

That is too funny....I thought I was the only person like that. I feel so stupid about that "aspect" of me. I am so glad you came out and mentioned that you do that too.

I am so bad at spelling that a dictionary never helps, I do not usually even know how a word starts....do you ever have that problem?

I am laughing my ass off inside....silently...

BC the EC

polkadotpuhjommies, somewhere around August 21, 2003

[quote]I am so bad at spelling that a dictionary never helps, I do not usually even know how a word starts....do you ever have that problem?
[/quote]

nope....actually, because I USED to be such a good speller I can still get pretty darn close (LOL) so I have no problems with using the dictionary....but for petes sakes...this new kink in an old skill is certainly annoying !!  >:(

    This may make you laugh....I LOVE words  ;-).  I pick and choose words with great care as writting is one of the ways I express myself the best...so I get SUPER ticked off when I have to substitute a word when I don't have a dictionary handy.

    These days, I speak far better than I write.  I have a good vocabulary....I just can't spell the words !!  :'( :'(

    I'm going to look for that article right NOW  (...and will get to Tundes targets sooner or later, after the email, after the line drawings, after finding the article, after reading the posts, after a while I'm guessing  ;-) )


    sigh ....even when I KNOW I am avoiding, I make it worse....I guess this phase will pass.... :-/

polkadotpuhjommies, somewhere around August 21, 2003

Start drawing and performing tasks with your opposite hand. This will help connect the left and right sides of your brain.  


Just found this while looking for the other .... ::)

energycritter, somewhere around August 21, 2003

This cracks me up….. ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)

I have a large vocab also, but, like you, I rarely get to use it because I can not spell half of the words I can speak. I can speak well and articulate well in person. It’s just this written word thing that drives me bananas.

I tend to write the way I would organize thoughts while talking. The problem is that writing does not properly render my hand gestures, facial tweaks, eye twists, lip wiggles, head tilts, abstract sounds to accompany ideas, voice changes and suchlike.

Yea, the other brain side is needing a little tweaking, that is why I am looking forward tot the drawing thing we are about to embark on. I will also try to write with the other hand. I tried it during one of my sessions of Tunde’s targets and almost blew a circuit in my head and my arm almost dropped off of my body from the stress of writing with my left hand.

This will be very fun and developmentally engaging for us all.

I will start looking for my 12 drawings tonight. I may have some of my own that will fit the criteria of line drawings.

BC the EC

polkadotpuhjommies, somewhere around August 22, 2003

[quote]
Well, anyone who wants to play here, collect 12 line art drawings ranging from the simplest to advanced, from books or internet or coloring books or newspapers or whatever.  
[/quote]

PJ   could you make it clear what exactly it is you are looking for?  You mentioned a coloring book a few times...is this what you want???....something that can be colored in or something that we are to duplicate by drawing it or both??

I just sent a few to you, but have no idea if this is what you want.  Maybe you could post a few samples pictures of what you are calling a line drawing.  ;-)

admin, somewhere around August 22, 2003

Hi pdPJ,

Actually, the links that were posted earlier on this thread were great it's just that they were all somewhat more... 'advanced' sketches.  Those are good, but we'd also need some real rudimentary stuff too.

I'm not looking for coloring stuff LOL, it is just hard to think of any other example besides that of really simple line-art.  

The kind I am talking about is the stuff like in Betty Edwards' book -- remember the one of the man sitting in a chair?  It was a really simple yet elegant line art.

That was kind of hard for me--okay, he looked a little retarded when I was done lol!--but it was do-able, and challenging, and turned out better than I expected I'd be able to do (when done upside down :-)).

PJ

Dick, somewhere around August 23, 2003

Has anyone considered this as an exercise for improving RV?

1. Take a target ID- a verifiable target, well cued, from a reliable tasker.

2. Use whatever methodology you have been trained in to produce data about the target.

3. Immediately look at the feedback and reconcile your work. Which data you produced is good, which is imagination, and which is contamination? Strive to produce more good data, and avoid imagination and contamination.

This technique has worked pretty well for me.  It sounds simple, but too many remote viewers don't do this.  They work esoteric targets, they work "open ended" targets and then select a target from a file of targets after the session is produced to fit their data. They accept imagination and contamination by finding abstract scenarios to justify their data. They call their bad data "metaphoric" and accept it, rather than learning to identify the basic gestalts at target.

Aloha,
Dick

admin, somewhere around August 23, 2003

Er... well, yeah, Dick, you sound sarcastic, but I'm pretty sure most everybody is aware of basic RV practice.  

This thread was touching on auxilliary exercises that might help "open up" a person--which obviously are NOT specific RV practice (apologies for having any other ideas!), but might contribute to a person's openness, creativity, sense of self, and ability to communicate.

This is part of the apparently revolutionary idea that remote viewing works because we as humans are a whole spectrum of creativity and psi and psychology, and affected by many things... our belief systems, our creativity, and our personal clarity, among other things, may affect the process... and not just what process one uses in the 10mins-2hrs they may spend in session.

Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain is a book I had recommended to me by Lyn Buchanan, Paul Smith, Joe McMoneagle, and a couple other intell viewers, back in 95 and 96.  Alas life got in the way, but since I'd like to expand my art horizons and improve my sketching abilities to better reflect what I perceive in RV, I thought it'd be cool to finally do it.

You don't have to.  ;-)

PJ

mindchild, somewhere around August 23, 2003

I agree that the links I posted were to more intricate drawings, which aren't so much in the spirit of the exercises.  I was trying to find some that were closer to what's in Betty Edwards' Book, but couldn't find any!  :(

I'll keep trying to find something, also, maybe someone else is better at online searches, etc. and/or will come up with something more appropriate.  Meanwhile, I'll keep my eyes peeled (I haven't said that for a long time, it sounds weird!  ;-) ).

PJ, so cool that the book was recommended to you by those guys!    ;-)

Laurie

polkadotpuhjommies, somewhere around August 23, 2003

Hi Mindchild and all

    I spent some time last night looking and found an area that might work...grey scaled tattoos !  ;-)

    I haven't read this book, nor have I seen any pictures regarding it, so it is difficult for me to know what I'm looking for  :-/

    I have already sent some to PJ and will need some feedback from her as to whether this is on the right track or not.

    What about trying pencil sketches??  I'll keep working on this too!  Heck, the internet is HUGE with everything on it :o  We just have to find out what to 'call' these line drawings.

Fire, somewhere around August 23, 2003

Hi Laurie,  

Actually, your links were great!--but they'd have to be at the end of some kind of self-training period because I have trouble with stickmen right now, never mind some of those. ;-)  But they ARE good and we should use them.

pjPJ -- tattoos!  Now why didn't I think of that?  (Oh, I remember.  Both my brain cells were busy counting each other on another thread...)  That's a great idea!  It's line art, sure.

I can scan the pics from Betty's book (many of these, I'll have to collect, but make the db reserved for those who send me request, since we don't have copyright permissions) too, but there's only a couple.

I think there are other exercises in there, requesting like, a photo of a person, or something else--I will dig it up and skim it, I need to do that anyway, and come up with a list of the various stuff needed to work through it.  I think that book is probably available in most city libraries for people who can't afford to buy it.

PJ

polkadotpuhjommies, somewhere around August 23, 2003

PJ....sorry about your recent brain problems  :-/

some of these threads simply require that it's members have 2 or MORE cells in order to qualify as being allowed to live.  Other topics have clearly stated that an IQ of 130 or more is required  (This would be the advanced 'crap' that seems to be floating around lately  ;-) )

Try this PJ.....it will help you out a lot I'm sure


 instructions:
immediately without thinking, but it won't make any difference if you do think about it. Its quite amazing.


1. While sitting at your desk, lift your right foot off the floor and make clockwise circles.

2. Now, while doing this, draw the number "6" in the air with your right hand.


Your foot will change direction.

Repeat this and try to stop this happening.

Now, using the left foot
draw a circle counter clockwise and draw the # 6.....
Then try it drawing the # 9

When finished with all these tasks, proceed to the 'masking' topic and post away   ;-)

but really, try out the instructions...you'll be surprised

Fire, somewhere around August 23, 2003

LOL!  

OK!  I have followed your method exactly as described.  This resulted in my computer blinking, me falling out of my chair, and a strange yowl from one of my four cats that I don't claim to understand, but which I take as a direct sign from heaven of the Rightness Of This Course.

Now that I have been TRAINED, I will demand to know the full lineage of any other person who claims they are capable of drawing numbers in the air.  I will also clearly associate this for the public as the Secret Answer to how saints and legends of old accomplished (a) physical bilocation, (b) prophecy, and (c) getting their turbans tied properly.

Because I am so important, you must be moreso.  You are hence designated O Cosmic Dot (not to be confused with O Eva, or The Mighty And Powerful Eric, of course).  You are no longer allowed to be imperfect.  You are not allowed to have learned anything from a mere mortal, or worse (gasp!) on your own.  I mean what the hell kind of lineage is that?  That just won't do.

Henceforth you shall be known as Queen of the Secret History. Start little.  After a few years you can grow it into whatever it needs to be.  By 2005 or so this should equal training since you were 7 in the mysteries of the Ancients, at the direct hands of the NSA-cum-Illuminati and as a special protoge of the reincarnated Nostradamus (currently living in an alien underground base with the ALLEGEDLY late viewer Pat Price).

(I had a friend who called his magick group The Illiterati.  This a joke on how hard it was to spell when you're in right-brain ceremonial mode.  I always found that hilarious.)

But you understand, being specially designated by God.*, I cannot just do it your way.  I have my own breed of cosmic.  I have reinvented your method in my own name.  I have added several important aspects to it, including (a) a full body massage prior, with particular emphasis on the left elbow, and (b) the requirement that one sit in a chair during this which is of a precise measure and color.  I mean it just won't WORK if the chair is grey instead of violet, you know what I mean?

I will shortly be assigning my own acronym and selling this technique on the internet to wide-eyed people interested in (check one topic -- I will make a website that will lead the search engines in all obviously related topics such as RV, Quantum Physics and Lasagna).

I am intending to provide full assurance that I am cosmic, I have THE ANSWER, and they can be cosmic too, if only they will (a) pay me money, (b) sleep with me, (c) defend me as their Fearless Leader on the internet, or (d) just agree with whatever I say when I feel like testing them.

I appreciate your contribution to this cause.  Someday, you might merit an endnote in the tome of my many biographies.

:-)  PJ

polkadotpuhjommies, somewhere around August 23, 2003

O  M  G  !!  :o

ALL THAT from some foot twirling??  ROFL   I can't in my wildest thoughts begin to know what you are like after a massage   :o

Now, to important matters:  I need to know on who's authority you did this:

[quote]Henceforth you shall be known as Queen of the Secret History[/quote]

.....as it was mentioned elsewhere, I have been found quilty of farting in front of the Queen (gasp ~~ pun intended --maybe )  I don't know if I'm ALLOWED to be Queen of anything now   :-/

   ..... and furthermore, this really complicates my trying to answer any questions on who I am  and also, as this will be 'Secret" history, it makes in quite impossible for me to have my findings published   :(

    If I **** in front of the Queen as an unpublished Dot, then surely this will not go over well with members of this forum.  Next thing I know, I will be having my dots recalled and I'll simply be in pajamas... I'll just be another form of PJ...Plain Jane    sigh  

pfffht I say   :P

admin, somewhere around August 23, 2003

[quote]ALL THAT from some foot twirling??  ROFL   I can't in my wildest thoughts begin to know what you are like after a massage  :o[/quote]
Usually asleep.  ;-) ::)

[quote]I need to know on who's authority you did this:[/quote]
Authority, shmerority.  In my extremely hazy past, I was someone really important I can't mention, in something really important I can't name, in a group really important I can't claim, in a closet really important I can't locate, and that's my authority.  How DARE you question me.

[quote]..... and furthermore, this really complicates my trying to answer any questions on who I am[/quote]
Now you're getting it.  Your resume is getting more impressive by the minute.

[quote]and also, as this will be 'Secret" history, it makes in quite impossible for me to have my findings published[/quote]
On the contrary.  It allows you to publish any finding that you don't think anybody else will know the source of and claim it as your own.  You might consider reading science magazines.  Take the articles on small trends and claim that as remote viewing predictions.  For example, did you know that over the next few years, frogs are going to be mutating as a result of climactic conditions.  It is not important that this has been happening for a long time, or that it was publicly published before you said it.  What is important, is that you say it LOUDEST.

[quote]Next thing I know, I will be having my dots recalled[/quote]
Nope.  When you sense you are running out of Dot-Authority, find some former friends or associates, dub them O-Mighty-Dottresses as well, and have them show up (in alias form--they're too important and secret to actually be public, of course!) to support you on the internet.  Actually, you can just hire the 12 year old paperboy to do this, as he probably knows more about your computer and the internet than any of the adults in the neighborhood anyway. Just have him sign up several new identities.  

Encourage him to use really large words, whether necessary or not.  It sounds impressive.  For example, in a hands-on discussion, if he wants to say, move your hand to the left and use two fingers to draw your letter in the air, he might consider phrasing it like, "Directly execute a movement exercise in motion-oriented spacial displacement, while simultaneously arranging for a multiplicity of digits to properly align a symbolic visual reference coordinate."  

He should always follows such comments up with the comment, "I'm trying to make this as simple as I can."  This will prevent 99% of the people reading, whether they understood it or not, from daring ask for something in plain english.  

Should anybody be so rudely courageous as to dare, the appropriate response is, "Well ____, what training and experience do YOU have?"  This generally kills all initiative and courage within 50 miles.  

Should anybody STILL dare to have an opinion, it is your right and in fact your duty to suggest that since they weren't in your closet, they aren't qualified to ask.

Should someone question your closet, feel welcome to challenge them to an internet duel.  

PJ

polkadotpuhjommies, somewhere around August 23, 2003

set....2 ...... 3....... GO


[move]Follow the polka dots as they do the happy dance of joy   ;-) [/move]


.....and God Dot the Queen   ;-)

energycritter, somewhere around August 25, 2003

Help!

Does anyone know why a scanned picture (black and white line drawing) that took only two or three minutes to scan, takes one hour to load onto an e-mail on AOL and then it never shows up on the computer it was sent to?

At home I scanned one black and white line drawing and then tried to send it to my work computer and it never worked. The scanning went great, but, attaching the picture to an e-mail took one hour, if not more, and it never even showed up on my computer at work.

Is there anything simple that I did wrong that will enable me to attached scanned pictures to my home e-mail so I can send them to my work computer?

Any ideas will be appreciated.

I want to be able to play with the drawing stuff and I am running into troubles. Thanks, BC

polkadotpuhjommies, somewhere around August 25, 2003

[quote]I want to be able to play with the drawing stuff and I am running into troubles. Thanks, BC
[/quote]


Welcome to scanner land   :'(

I'm going to open a topic in off topic for this cause I'm sure as we get into the exercises, more computer issues are going to crop up...

see ya there  ;)

energycritter, somewhere around August 25, 2003

I do not like scanner land... :(

waterway, somewhere around August 25, 2003

What kinda format are you folks saving these B&W line drawings in?  Either AOL is really slow  >:( or the drawings are large.  If you are careful, a b&w line drawing should be a small file for quick upload.

energycritter, somewhere around August 25, 2003

Thanks WW, I will look into that tonight.

EC

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