Topic [265] Targ's "Limitless Mind" TKR Remote Viewing Forum February 2004

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waterway, somewhere around February 19, 2004

Anyone already read this?  I picked it up the other day, and it looks great.

waterway, somewhere around February 23, 2004

I'm about half way through.  Its great.  Go buy it.  Then, read it.

Report back.

Now, go.

waterway, somewhere around March 1, 2004

Sheeeesh!  Like, I am talking to myself here!

Okay, read the book, liked the book.  Fascinating overview of the RV field, but more than that, a challenge to people to confront themselves and grow.   He really endeavors to make folks involved in the RV field feel good about themselves and their science.  So if you want a bit of education and some encouragement.... go buy it and read it.  

Glyn, somewhere around March 1, 2004

Hi Waterway,

[quote] Sheeeesh!  Like, I am talking to myself here![/quote]

Okay, okay....I give up....I've just ordered it from Amazon, and it will be here in 2 days. I *promise* I'll read it immediately and tell you what I think of it. ;-)

Have you read 'The Field'? Have you read 'Future Memory and Time'? Have you read 'An Experiment with Time?'

No? Thought not....Get ordering then. I want reviews by July........... ;-) ;-)

Grins,
Glyn

waterway, somewhere around March 1, 2004

[color=Red]"No? Thought not....Get ordering then. I want reviews by July........... "[/color]

Ya know... I should have just left it at the first post and been on my way.....no harm... no foul..... but noooooo, gotta be funny, gotta get cute.... [size=1][color=Blue]...tellin me I gotta go read some buncha books.... she ain't my momma...[/color][/size]

Okay, okay.... lets see.... no, I have read none of those books, but I think I tried to get my hands on "Future memory and Time" but had no luck, out of print or something.  I will check into it again, read these books, and report back.  I also want to read Ingo Swann's "Natural ESP" but can't find a copy I can afford.  Where's the RV lending library?

Uh... all snarling aside, thanks for the suggestions on reading material.  I am about to finish Christine Hardy's "Networks of Meaning", and then I will look into those others.

Enjoy Targ's book.

polkadotpuhjommies, somewhere around March 1, 2004

[quote]Where's the RV lending library[/quote]

We don't have the remotest idea..... :P

[quote]Sheeeesh!  Like, I am talking to myself here! [/quote]

Heh Heh....wellllllll...basically, untll Glyn posted, you were  LOL  ;-)

Good...you guys do all the reading, report back telling all then I won' have to read for myself and I can be doing other things.... a deal ??   ;)  

....and when you're finished reading these, I'll post my "things I've been meaning to read but got involved in other things "list for ya.

Hi Glyn!  was wondering where you've been....


ahhhh....


reading .....


duh  :P

Glyn, somewhere around March 1, 2004

Hi Waterway,

[Quote]Okay, okay.... lets see.... no, I have read none of those books, but I think I tried to get my hands on "Future memory and Time" but had no luck, out of print or something. [/quote]

You may have trouble getting hold of Sean O'Donnell's 'Future Memory and Time', although
I think I did see it on the Amazon UK site. Dunne's book is shown on this very page of TKR though (down the right-hand side)...republished by Russell Targ no less ...which must be good recommendation ;-).

Whether you ever get round to reading those two or not I would definitely recommend you do read 'The Field', it is really good, and you won't regret it.

Cheers for now,
Glyn

Glyn, somewhere around March 1, 2004

Hi there PDPJ,

[quote]
Hi Glyn!  was wondering where you've been....

ahhhh....

reading .....

duh  :P[/quote]

I'm always around following things, it's just that I  seem to post in fits and starts, all at once, and then I sort of run out of steam for a while  ;-). I've been doing some RV and this and that, and yes I've been reading too, mostly sci-fi when it's not psi..it's Arthur C Clarke's '3001' at the moment.

Regards,
Glyn

waterway, somewhere around March 1, 2004

"The Field"?  Who is the author?

Glyn, somewhere around March 1, 2004

[Quote]"The Field"?  Who is the author? [/Quote]

Lynne McTaggart
ISBN: 0-00-714510-1

Regards,
Glyn

Glyn, somewhere around March 8, 2004

[Quote]  I'm about half way through.  Its great.  Go buy it.  Then, read it.
Report back.
Now, go.[/quote]

;-) Hi! Just an update. I'm about a third of the way though it myself now, and really enjoying it.

Some points I found interesting. I have heard some of these before, but I think Russell Targ carries additional weight as he was one of the original researchers ...

Dr Targ talks about Joe McMoneagle and Pat Price being evident naturals from the word go, but Hella Hammid was not, and had no previous psychic experience. She had to be shown what to do, but in his own words "she became our most reliable viewer for more than a decade".

That you can take breaks in a session and go back to the target for more impressions, and that it is best to break and do this when AOL starts.

That viewers can sometimes achieve 'photographic accuracy'.

That with practice "people become increasingly able to separate the psychic signal from the mental noise of memory and imagination".

That there seems to be no difference in difficulty viewing a future target than one in the present or past.

This I found especially interesting, because I've never thought about it this way, but it makes loads of sense........"Drawing is especially important, because it gives the viewer direct access to symbolic and nonanalytic unconscious processes".

Just about to start the chapter on precognition, and it is great to see that Russell Targ refers to J W Dunne's book as  "....the wonderful book 'An Experiment With Time'..." Music to my ears  ;-).

Later then,
Glyn

waterway, somewhere around March 8, 2004

Thanks for the feedback Glyn.  I am glad you are enjoying it.  My copy of "The Field" is in, so I will pick it up Friday for some weekend reading.  I was with a tour of the Rhine Center the other day and one of the other tour participants mentioned "The Field" as the book to read!  So I am all excited.....

I have also lately been using the first CD of the hemisynch stuff from the Monroe center, and my nights are now filled with vivid dreams.   As a matter of fact, altering my state of consciousness is getting easier daily, and I am getting to that hypnagogic state and staying pretty "lucid" too.... getting a lot more vivid scenes showing up.  But is that good?  My better RV sessions got data that was opague.... vague... (sorta like my personality.... ???)  

Let me know about the rest of the book.  

Glyn, somewhere around March 19, 2004

Hello Waterway,

Just to say I finished the book, and enjoyed it very much.

I was rummaging through my old books and came across 'Mind Reach', also by Russell Targ and written with Harold Puthoff. It is the 1977 edition and I would have bought it then (shows my age unfortunately  :P). I've started re-reading it, and came across the words 'remote viewing' straight away.

Now, I must have read that book back in 77, and maybe not touched it since. When I came across that term (RV), when David Morehouse first published 'Psychic Warrior' some years back, I could have sworn I'd never heard of it before...of course I obviously had. What a lousy memory..if 'future memory' is important in 'psi', and my precall is only as good as my recall, well I may as well give up now.  ;-)

How are you doing with 'The Field'?
Glyn

waterway, somewhere around March 22, 2004

I am working through "The Field" kinda slowly, I am distracted by a lot of other stuff.  

MacTaggert's recounted ideas are revolutionary, and they are causing the wheels in my head to spin rather vigorously.  And though this causes a nice breeze for my family.... I am feeling a bit overwhelmed.

I cannot tell if I like the book though.... I appreciate her efforts to make sense of a bunch of anomilies in current research, but all these loose pieces with fluid edges can be stuck together in lots of ways.... her's being just one.  I am only about a 3rd of the way through though, and there seems to be a lot of gushing about how great this book is.... so I will reserve judgement.   ???

Glyn, somewhere around March 22, 2004

Yes, I know what you mean, but don't you think that some of these new fangled ideas seem to echo some really old thinking too? As well as being like 'The Force' of course...... makes me wonder if George Lucas could claim copywrite.  ;-).

If you get through that in one piece Waterway then do try Dunne's "An Experiment With Time"...now parts of that are absolutely guaranteed to warp the mind big time, as well as maybe changing your whole outlook about psi.  ;-)

Well...I gotta try to turn someone else into a Future Memory Theory fan before I get really old and turn up my toes...so that is your mission; should you choose to accept it.  8)

Well you were the one that started this  ;)

Big Grins,
Glyn

waterway, somewhere around March 22, 2004

[color=Orange]"Well you were the one that started this "[/color]

And I am glad I did.

I don't know how much more warped my poor brain could get.... I already have severe doubts about modern physics view of reality, I think the big bang theory is silly and also have similar distain for "string theory".  Of course, modern physics has NO opinion of me since I am not a player.... I think they are doing the best they can with what they have to work with.

I really want that other book...."Future Memory and Time"... though I will certainly read Dunne's book.

Thanks for all your feedback.

admin, somewhere around March 24, 2004

Well, Waterway, if you asked, I might be willing to mail-loan you my copy of FMaT -- actually I have all the books in the 'classics in consciousness' series that Targ and HRPub are republishing.  

Of course, you will have to return it/them eventually, or I will be forced to fry your brain using my new hotshot Vector-Matrixial Remote Boxing online course, which I am assured that for only $3,999 will make me psychically omnivorous.  (There was another for becoming omnisexual, but I can't afford that yet). So far I am up to stage 412, which requires I reiterate the coordinates of temporal displacement backward nine times while standing on my left foot.  I expect to be the best psi-ninja out there very soon now.

But I'm sure you were honest and would return them, right.  Even though I'm looking for any excuse to flex my new superpowers.

PJ

waterway, somewhere around March 25, 2004

PJ,

Are you talking about Sean O'Donnell's 'Future Memory and Time'?  Is it published, or will be published, as one of the "Classics in Consciousness" series?

I would appreciate a loan... I will PEM you about it.

Good call too on the [color=Blue]Vector-Matrixial Remote Boxing online course[/color], I have heard good things about it.  And the course that makes you omnisexual.... I would think the dry-cleaning bill alone would make that cost-prohibitive.  

Hey, but seriously folks, I have in my possession a book by Webster Edgerly (Edmund Shaftesbury) from the turn of this century in which he has folks standing and twisting and doing all sorts of poses and exercises to increase their "magnetism" which he described, and it sounds a lot like "The Field" we are reading about.  By practicing these exercises, both physical and mental, your body produced energy would be increased and channeled, and you would gain impressive powers, specifically MIND powers..... (insert errie music here)

admin, somewhere around March 25, 2004

I'm sorry, no, I misunderstood.  I was referring to this book:

http://www.espresearch.com/experimentwithtime/

And all the others on that website of course.

PJ

waterway, somewhere around April 7, 2004

I am a little worried about writing what I am about to write.  I feel bad about it for a number of reasons.  I guess the main thing is, I don't want to hurt anybody’s feelings by criticizing something they may believe a lot in, its not my desire or place to put down someone else's convictions.  Another thing that troubles me is that since I am NOT a professional scientist, I am not really qualified in many ways to critique a scientist.  Related to that is the fact that since I am not a scientist, my ideas may just be plain old wrong, though scientists and layperson's alike can commit that error.  And lastly I feel bad about criticizing since I think scientific theorizing and hypothesizing, especially in the RV/PSI field, is very important and necessary, so I don't want anyone to think I am discouraging it.

I am in the middle of the book "The Field" by Lynne MacTaggart, and its bugging me.  Everyone I have talked to about this book just gushes praise, but I have real problems with it.  Now, the research and the facts and the reports on research are just fantastic, I am thrilled to read about them.  But the "logical" conclusions she comes up with to  speculate on "the field" are driving me crazy. It bugs me because I see such manner of thinking in our field too often, and I think it does a lot to dissuade folks from taking PSI science seriously.

I have said many times that I know that in RV science, there is a lot we do not know, a lot that is contrary to conventional explanation, and that to understand an unconventional problem we must throw in some unconventional explanations into our hypothesizing.  Where I think we mess up sometimes, and this is my complaint about MacTaggart's book and too much theorizing by others, is where she takes 4 or 5 fringe science areas, notices they all have large patches of unknown mechanics, and deduces they are all the same thing.  Memory, holographs, quantum mechanics, homeopathy, cellular communication... I am only half way through the book so I won't be surprised if she throws a few more ideas into the soup... all of these areas of research are faced with a black box...where variables go in... something unexplained happens, and variables stream out.  But "the field" turns out to be the black box that is present in all these disparate areas of science.  So the next conclusion is, since all the different black boxes are actually the same black box, then all the variables going in and all the variables coming out are also the same, just with different names.  That does not make sense.

I plan to finish the book to see how it turns out, but I have heard it all before. I just think Ms. MacTaggart reaches too far.  I wouldn't mind it so  much if she just merged 2 or 3 mysteries, but the black box just gets too full.   When you add stuff to the black box, it grows exponentially, reducing our understanding of all the known variables it should relate to.   I applaude her ambition, and if she is only 10% correct, she has made valuable contributions to our understanding.  But I think by trying to put too much into the process, she has only muddied the waters of  understanding.

admin, somewhere around April 7, 2004

Maybe similar to how, at other levels or degrees, everything not well understood is referring to as magic, or god, or some other version of "the mysterious all-that-is that explains all-that-is-weird".  

PJ

waterway, somewhere around April 8, 2004

...but you know, this book "The Field" is fantastic for all the research it reports on.  

Glyn, somewhere around April 11, 2004

Hi Waterway,[quote] ...but you know, this book "The Field" is fantastic for all the research it reports on.  [/quote]

The book fulfils a valuable purpose IMO, because it pulls so much serious scientifically based research together, helping towards a 'cohesiveness of thinking' that is sorely needed in order to try to see more of the big picture.

There are no conclusions,  and we are left pondering on all that has been presented, but that in itself is not a bad thing. However, it does seem to me that current findings seem to be pointing in the same direction, towards some sort of 'inter-connectiveness'; but then that is a very old idea in itself, the suggested 'mechanics' of it are a little more modern that's all.  ;-)

Have you finished it yet? What is your final opinion?

Kind regards,
Glyn

waterway, somewhere around April 12, 2004

I have not finished it, but I am trying to, really.  I am thoroughly enjoying it though, as you said, it is chocked full of valuab le research info.   I sit around reading, highlighting stuff, making notes in the margins, and periodically shouting "AHA!!!" which is distracting to the other people in the waiting area at my daughter's dance class.  The fact that I can read at all over the thumping of Rick James' "Superfreak" on full volume is testimony that this is a fascinating book.

admin, somewhere around April 12, 2004

Superfreak! -- "She's a very kinky girl..."  Ah, the old days, alive and well in dance studios. ;-)

When you can do RV through superfreak, then you'll really be impressive.  ;-)

PJ

Joe_Black, somewhere around April 14, 2004

I just started reading it, its very good.

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