Topic [25] Intent TKR Remote Viewing Forum July 2003

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Mystic_Rhythms, somewhere around July 15, 2003

Hi all-

I hear more often than not that intent, and focus, are keys to good your psi work, be it RV or just pure meditation.  -)oes anyone out there have any exercises or specific meditations to improve focus and intent?  Or just concentration skills in general?

Can be RV related or not.  If this thread moves more towards the meditation side of things, it may be moved there.  (dont panic!)   8)

MR

admin, somewhere around July 15, 2003

Funny you should ask. (...)  I'm beginning to feel that the shamanic training done in many traditions is dominantly focused on self discipline and 'intent', and that these (particularly the latter--but they may be related) are of great value to viewers.  

Even spiritual disciplines such as Steiner's christian mysticism has an outline of various (typically shamanic) practices designed to make one more 'aware', more 'disciplined', more 'disciplined in awareness' (is that redundant?) and the end result is, a stronger 'intent'.  

I think concentration is highly related to intent, tho differs.  I have noticed that the two for me are correlated, anyway; I've also noticed that memory is correlated too, but I'm not sure how!

PJ

energycritter, somewhere around July 22, 2003

Do you think that the development of strong disciplined awareness and then possible strong intent can be something that stays with a person or is it something that fades away and then needs to be rebuilt again if needed for a specific perpose or Psi ability?

My past has a lot of self discipline and focused intent development and I am curious if that is something that has stayed with me and I just have not used it or is it something that dwindles over time?

I guess it depends on the person.

I guess I am asking because I want to play with Psi stuff and I do not feel like I have the time to play with the development of more focus or discipline and I am hoping that I have the focus and intent avaiable to play without a lot of time spent of prep.

I am probably dreaming and I will most likely need to find time to practice and med.

BC the EC

waterway, somewhere around July 26, 2003

From what I have read, and just from recent experience, it appears that time spent on RVing is valuable since your subconscious gets exercised and learns that RVing is "normal".

But.... [sub][color=Blue]there is always a "but"....[/color][/sub] I think that the ferocity of the intent also makes a positive difference, since the subconscious gets the hint that RVing is "important".  If you can let the RV desires and thoughts carry over into the rest of your conscious life, that would be good too.  But if I had to decide on which was better.... I would think that a lot of practice is better that a brief bit of "really serious" intent.

Am I off base here?  

I look at the subconscious as sort of in need of reassurance, since it is not "goal directed" or able to make a plan and carry it out... it makes dozens of plans but does not have the single-mindedness needed to achieve some goal.  It almost seems to have some natural insecurities..... for the aforementioned reasons, so it needs routine and affirmation and nurturance to feel good about the process.

polkadotpuhjommies, somewhere around July 26, 2003

[quote] It almost seems to have some natural insecurities..... for the aforementioned reasons, so it needs routine and affirmation and nurturance to feel good about the process. [/quote]

    This makes sense to me. I noticed that when I first began using a pendulam that my responses to yes/no remained mostly the same, but also noticed that there was quite a bit of switching. ~~ Almost as if the sub couldn't make up it's mind ( ::))  It was through repeated intent that I got over this glitch. When 'it' decided to change 'the rules' I wouldn't let it. I simply stopped what I was doing, asked questions I knew the answers to. For a yes question, I would say, the answer to this question is yes. All yes answers will be responded to in this way  etc.  It worked.  Matter of fact, it worked far better with the pendulam than it ever did with my children  :-/

    To me, the repeated corrections was the same as intent in this situation.

energycritter, somewhere around July 26, 2003

I have a lot to say about this, but, I will try and keep it brief. I know, you are thinking that doing so will be impossible for the energycritter.... ::) You may be right... ::)

Here is part of it....

Lets consider the correction of a child for example.

If.....you truely, with integrity, intend on correcting them for their benefit, ONLY, (therein is the need for integrity), for "THEIR" benefit "ONLY", then, the results of the intent will be affective. Correction of children should not be for our benefit and then hidden deep inside of a fake claim that they will benefit, that contaminates the intent and the lack of integrity will bring about the wrong results.

SO, in RV, the purer (integrity) the intent, I would expect the better the results. So, intent is one thing and the integrioty of the intent becomes the catylist for the correct results.

My daughter's behavior has always astounded poeple and many say it is because of some strange blessing that was on her when she was born. But, they do not see me as a parent (daughter whisperer ;) ) in action. I have trianed myself to correct her with the purest (integrity) of intentions with the result and focus of my efort being her development and not my improved state of the moment. When she was young, if she was making noise, I did not have her stop because I was bothered, I would just get my heart and intentions correct to allow the niose so that she would not be controlled for my intents and purposes, then when she needed to be corrected because of the moment needing a correct action on her part as part of true realistic demands on her behavior, I could correct her with itegrity filled intent and she would respond correctly and I would be able to restore her if the correction was hard on her because I was not reacting in anger as the driver to correct her. Yes, intent, but, pure, integrity filled intent is even better.

So, in RV, could it help to have intent, but, better yet, have the intent mixed with pure intentions of gain for the other and not just ourselves. In the East, they try to consider that a person say yes to everything before he considers the result and how it will affect themsleves. That is a portion of the no-mind. Do not make a decision with the concern for how the result will affect or benefit you. If you consider how the result will affect you, you just contaminated the intent and integrity of the moment and you will be the loser or the less affective person.

OOOPPPPSSS, this was not short, this is one of my favorite issues though, I have about two decades of studies and practice in this stuff....good stuff...soft, internal stuff....

What do I know, I have never RVed...hhhhmmm ;)

BC the really nice EC..... ;-) ;) ::)

waterway, somewhere around July 27, 2003

...... and if our subconscious is connected to the subconscious of all others, and our only separation is our ego-driven consciousness, then we would expect the subconscious to provide more to us when our intentions are for the well-being of others..... since from its perspective, there are no "others".

waterway, somewhere around August 1, 2003

Maybe my conjecturing here is off base, so please correct me.

Perhaps increasing intent simply gets more of the mind involved in getting info.  I think the mind is lots of mental connections going on at once, and our conscious mind chooses one pathway for its attention.    To get info in RV, we ask.  The mind hears and some subconscious thoughts respond to that request, and to the extent that those pathways are connected to the pathways the conscious mind uses, we get RV info into our consciousness.  

But increasing intent, by "focusing" or repeating the question, or clarifying the question, or asking it multi-sensorally....[size=1]is that a real word?[/size].... then more brain connections are dedicated to the question, and the likelihood of connections being made that the conscious mind can connect to, and therefore increased access to RV data?

... I need more coffee.....  or should I switch to decaf?  

Does my reasoning seem reasonable on this whole intent idea?


-ww

intuitwolf, somewhere around August 1, 2003

PJ said:
[quote] I think concentration is highly related to intent, tho differs.  I have noticed that the two for me are correlated, anyway; I've also noticed that memory is correlated too, but I'm not sure how! [/quote]

If you consider that the conscious mind must decide to communicate with the subconscious mind in order to pursue that information which is currently outside of it's realm of knowing, then intent is the first active step toward obtaining it's goal. So, intent follows conscious control.

A secondary decision involves 'what, where, when, how, how much, how little' -- this is also controlled by the conscious mind -- the guidance of intent -- i.e., focus.

Concentration develops out of the function of feeling response from the subconscious mind -- i.e., if the intent is strong enough and persuasive enough to the subconscious mind there is greater cooperation and concentraton is deepened beyond that you would have attained had there been no strong effort on the part of the conscious mind to engage the subconscious.  

Memory is held within the realm of the subconscious.  All memory of what the conscious mind never acknowledged within it's daily comings and goings, all knowledge of past/present/future/co-existing lives/experiences (which can philosophically be looked at in many ways), and all combinations of those bases of knowledge when put together and viewed consciously may evolve into something entirely new.  Remember in 'Taken' the phrase, 'all of your memories, all of your fears'.  The conscious mind has work to do; it simply cannot hold all memory in resident awareness.

I find the simple engagement of the conscious mind with the subconscious to be so enlivening that this alone is what makes remote viewing such a joy.  More of the self is cooperatively engaged and this brings a feeling of well being all it's own. It doesn't matter if the session is a bust, you are doing something spectacular for yourself every time you engage more of the totality of your being in a cooperative undertaking on a conscious level.  

Shelia

energycritter, somewhere around August 19, 2003

Are there any RVers out there that can intend themselves right into their SC mind, so to speak, and then get the data and then intend themselves right back to the C, all within a matter of minutes or seconds, for that matter...?

Just curious....

BC the EC

polkadotpuhjommies, somewhere around August 19, 2003

    It has been my experience that working with the pendulam does just this!  

energycritter, somewhere around August 19, 2003

good answer, I had not considered that....

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