Topic [83] The Future TKR Remote Viewing Forum August 2003

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polkadotpuhjommies, somewhere around August 1, 2003

    If your belief system incorporates that the past, present and future is all at the same time (which mine does), it is easy to understand how the past and present are readily available. My understanding problem is with that of the future. As we function in the present, we are doing and thinking things that influences the future.


    Which 'part' of the future is available 'today' ? Which part is considered to be the bottom line ~~ the final answer?  

    Example: Today, I want to know where I will geographically be living 3 years from now. There can only be 3 answers. 1. same place 2. elsewhere 3. no longer living on earth.


     At the present, I have no plans or intentions of moving. My job isn't the sort that would include being transferred.  I have no interest in moving, in fact, I don't want to move. YET..... say in reading the future, it is determined that I will be living in the tropics.

    So far, 3 things have happend 1. The desire to know, 2. asking the question 3. the answer - the tropics.

    Let's assume that in 3 years, I am actually living in the tropics.  Were all the variables already known and understood 3 years prior?  that I changed jobs and THAT job required that I move?  or that I won a contest that sent me to a tropical island and loved it and decided to stay...(got a job there and simply stayed) or I robbed a bank and went to a tropical island as a fugitive ??  There could be so many reasons as to why I wound up in the tropics.....  or as many reasons as to why I would never wind up in the tropics.

    Here is the guts of my question: when we 'see/know the future' are all the variables already taken into account?  Nothing ever happens that is only dependent on one person. In any of the examples above, it would involve many other people. What about all their free will?  What about the entering the contest - was it known the day I asked that I would enter and win? ...or I entered the contest and the entry box was stolen and all entries destroyed or I could just have easily NOT entered the contest.

    I have not made this as clear on 'paper' as I feel it in my mind, but am hoping I made it clear enough to be understood.

    Back to the belief: the past, present and future are all known to exist in the now.  Is the future (as seen/known today)  'a given, a sure thing'?? or is it based on likely probabilities?  If based on probabilites, then 'today' the future is not in fact determined and therefore, not in existence...yet   :-/

    LOL....looking forward to some discussion on this topic (tropic?)  in the future...  ;-)

   errrrr..or now.....

....hmmm  or did I ask this question on this forum 2 years ago (even though it didn't yet 'exist') and it is just now in our awareness?  

   See????  

 

Tigr50, somewhere around August 1, 2003

Hi there:
While living in Boulder, Ihad a very active career doing readings, hence seeing people's "future."  All I can relate here is purely aneccdotal, but after 25 years, there were patterns that emerged.

(First of all, let me say that I am a practitioner of Huna, which is an ancient means of changing one's future and not just going with the flow of what yyou have suggested.)

Your own future, in my opinion, can be "made" by you to a great extent.  Other forces, including the actions of other people do affect it.  But adults seem to suffer from a "wandering" of their desires and goals, or should I say, wavering.  If I read a child's future (up to the age of 12 or so) the path is very straight and powerful with intent.  After that, the path begins to meander.  For this reason, it is so much easier to read a baby's future than and adults, in my opionion.

If you wish to live in a tropical place and make a living there (or whatever your conditions) you can--you can muster all of your intent and be there.  But there may be unexpected variations in the scenario, where other forces that act upon your new life.  For example, not doing what you expected to do for a living, or even liking the place.  But you did make your future. I always suggest to people to be easy with the changes, because one is on a new path filled with new entropy that is not familiar to deal with.

Just a little input on this interesting subject.
Deb

polkadotpuhjommies, somewhere around August 1, 2003

Thanks Deb

    [quote]Other forces, including the actions of other people do affect it.  But adults seem to suffer from a "wandering" of their desires and goals, or should I say, wavering.  If I read a child's future (up to the age of 12 or so) the path is very straight and powerful with intent.  After that, the path begins to meander.  For this reason, it is so much easier to read a baby's future than and adults,[/quote]

   So????  The future does or does NOT exisit in the 'now"

    I'm with you on the seeming flucuations of what makes 'the future'. What I'm trying to understand is' how can it be said that the future already exsits when in fact, moment by moment, we make choices etc that change/influence the future.  When is it that the future has it's bottom line?  When is the future DONE?  

    This is like chasing your tail....lol.   :P

Tigr50, somewhere around August 1, 2003

I would say the future--or your future--is never "done," (and you are subject to the laws of entropy along the way).  You could take the  Buddhist appoach and say that all you really have is "now," and it is best to be always mindful, alert to this "now."

I believe the future can be changed through the power of intent and that intent is in the "now."
--Deb

polkadotpuhjommies, somewhere around August 1, 2003

;-)

    I'm with you. I think this also. But it doesn't fit in with the total concept of all things, (past, present, future) existing in the same moment suggesting that ALL has already taken place and is known.

    By the way, some of my earliest reading was on Huna...I'm very interested in it and plan to learn more in depth about it.  It's a very gentle discipline..Can't remember exactly, is it Endid Hoffman who is/was so instrumental in bringing Huna to the forefront?

energycritter, somewhere around August 1, 2003

My uncle's dog could catch his own tail and bring it to you when he had it. We should ask him to explain how he did it. he he.... ;-)

This thread brings back headaches from philosophy classes in college about causual analysis and whatnot.

I love it though...bring on the pain...this should get real good....

Future, to be or not yet to be, that is the question... ;-)

BC the EC

Tigr50, somewhere around August 1, 2003

A dog that can answer a question with his mouth full of his own tail....well that is real talent!  Couldn't get a cat to be that talented (er...act that idiotically).

But seriously (not) Huna was introduced to many throught the writings of Max Freedom Long. Was that who you were thinking of?  The other name does not bang any gongs with me.  

I guess the future is what we deal with in some RV: but most all the RV I do is in the "now"--that's why I am always floating around in the dark in Afghanistan and Pakistan, I think (time zone problems).  It's not the best of situations.  People aren't doing much and/or sleeping.  Sometimes, all I do is scare the goats.  Has anyone else noticed that animals can sense RVers?

Cheers
Deb

polkadotpuhjommies, somewhere around August 2, 2003

Hi Deb

    I just did a quick search on the net about Enid Hoffman. I had the name correct. I have several of her books from years ago. Here is a little snip of the search.

Huna  - ... in the native culture that I will never understand the deeper aspects of Huna. ... I have found a few sources (Max Freedom Long, Enid Hoffman, and Victor Anderson ...

    Oddly, before OBL and Sadam became such a focus, but shortly after 9-11, I too found myself in 'their territory'. I have no idea why. This is when I was meditating and before I learned any remote viewing.  I 'saw' all kinds of things that as I look back on it, are certainly relevant....right down to when the 3 explosions took place in Israel on the same day in the market place (about a year ago).  I don't know why I get these things...because I have no source to pass the information onto.

Fire, somewhere around August 2, 2003

It is my conscious belief, though I still have some ways to go on integrating this fully I think, that time and space just don't exist. They're ways of perceiving gradations of energy, and everything is just energy (including us).

I believe in free will.  Yet I believe it's possible to say that the future is certain, and I don't see those as contradictory, though logically I grok them seem so.  It is true that we can make any choice.  But at the point of the future--when we get there--then we have only one reality that happened, in the end.  And since time doesn't exist, part of us already knows that one thing that comes to be.

I believe that sometimes, we have experiences (deliberate or spontaneous) which show us a future we might like to change.  I think when that happens, some part of us is forcing that probability onto our screen so that we can consider an alternate path.  In other words, we may not always been perceiving the real future, but rather a potential future, as part of the data we can use for exercising our own free will.  

I think if we WANT to see the REAL future, we can... I suspect a huge amount of this is tied into belief systems.

polkadotpuhjommies, somewhere around August 2, 2003

[quote]But at the point of the future--when we get there--then we have only one reality that happened, in the end.  And since time doesn't exist, part of us already knows that one thing that comes to be[/quote]

thus, our feelings of destiny?



[quote]I believe that sometimes, we have experiences (deliberate or spontaneous) which show us a future we might like to change.  I think when that happens, some part of us is forcing that probability onto our screen so that we can consider an alternate path.  In other words, we may not always been perceiving the real future, but rather a potential future, as part of the data we can use for exercising our own free will.  
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......or, depending where we are in our own evolvement, we will only understand just so much no matter what we are shown?....or/and we will only 'see' what it is we can understand ??   Our higher self giving us only what we need to know at this time and/or leading us (you/me/all) to our best potential?

     This is good...very very good. Something I can sink my teeth into. I'll be mulling this one around for some time.  Thanks

Tigr50, somewhere around August 2, 2003

Hi back Pdpj:
You know, this website is so fancy, I'm not sure if I'm supposed to post this here or directly to you or what....But I think OBL was (and still is) a good target--and yes, there is no one to send the info to.  But they watch and listen.  

Anyway, how about we try a two-view?  That is, I will do a view sometime this afternoon and you do also and see what we come up with.  Just for practice.  We don't have to set a specific time, because afterall, we have no way of verifying.  Just make note of the time on your clock.   If we try, we might get some good info one of these days that might make a difference.  Then, let's compare notes tomorrow morning.

Better yet--just email me at dctaylor@comscire.com and we can talk about this.  If I'm gone for awhile, its because I'm going to see "Tomb Raider."

Cheers
Deb

Deb

polkadotpuhjommies, somewhere around August 2, 2003

    What a great idea!  You're on!!  

Watch out OBL....here we come  :o :o

polkadotpuhjommies, somewhere around August 2, 2003

By the way.....there is a private messaging option right here on the forum.  By each persons screen name is a logo for it. Just click on it a gab away.... ;-)

wizopeva, somewhere around August 2, 2003

Of course technically, it's not really rv if you are fully frontloaded as to the target before you start to view.  That kind of thing tends to bring a big load of conscious assumptions with it that tend to contaminate a session.  That's why rv is usually done 'blind' ie with the viewer having no info about the target.   Other ways can surely be called 'psi' but probably not 'rv.'
-E

Don_Williams, somewhere around August 2, 2003

Deb asked about animals sensing your presence when you remote view and they are in the target area.  It's happened to me several times.  Actually, animals seeming to sense my presence was the thing that made me fully realize that the "signal line theory" just doesn't work.  

The first time this happened to me I was working an outbound target, a city park.  The cue was to RV the park at the time I would be going there for feedback.  I sensed 2 children with a puppy and a bunch of other irrelevant stuff.  The puppy suddenly looked at me and began wagging his tail.  He semed to move closer to me.  I was bilocating strongly.

When I went there for feedback, my wife and I saw the 2 kids with the puppy on a leash.  I actually saw him suddenly stare off to one side and begin jumping and wagging his tail.  He was reacting to an area where my point of view had been when I was RVing the park.  This freaked me out!  I was watching this dog sense my invisible presence from the past, when I had RVed him!  I had a little trouble dealing with my mind being in several place and several times at once.  Then the puppy spotted me, broke free from the kids and came running over to me like he had known me all his life.  When the kids came over to retreive him, they said he was usually afraid of strangers.

This has happened several times since then.  Animals are much more psychically aware than we are, especially young ones.  They seem to lose it a little as they grow older and become more centered and focused in this material space/time.  A good way to check this out is to have your tasker set up a target where there will be animals and people both present in the target area at the time you are cued on.  Then mix the target into the target pool and wait.  It will come up eventually.  
Don

Tigr50, somewhere around August 3, 2003

Hi Don:
I LOVE the puppy story, and the bit about the dog seeing you where you USED to be, brings out all kinds of interesting Quantum Locality questions--another hobby of mind.  I found that the horses in Bosnia were spooked by my presence, as if I were a ghost or a shadow.  I love horses, so it confused me.  It certainly confused the humans there.  It took them a while to calm all the animals down, because this was a night RV and nobody knew what had spooked the horses.  

Perhaps you were in the place the puppy had seen you because you still were--from a quantum standpoint.  Part of "You" your consciousness, is not in a time/space dimension, so it could be any time and place.  -)id you sense yourself still there?  I'm surprised we are not all totally bats with this thing!

Deb

Atman, somewhere around August 3, 2003

Hi Deb,   I have heard that it was pretty easy to RV whether someone was dead or not.I'm a newbie,and i'm not sure about this?I heard that OBL is dead by a RVer.It is curious that there has'nt been any Video tapes of OBL since we levelled Torro Borro, except for one and whether it was made before or after the Torro Borro bombing was in question.If he is alive , did he drop his videocam running down those mountains?

admin, somewhere around August 3, 2003

Atman, I am trying to figure out what live/dead and OBL have to do with a thread on the future which has become a thread on animal psi.  Is there a logic leap there I missed.  You might consider posting a new separate thread on these questions, it might get more response.

PJ

Tigr50, somewhere around August 3, 2003

RE OBL:
Well, I am still targeting him.  I don't think he is dead, but I don't think he is moving as much as he used to.  Also not making as many cell phone calls and other things that can be tracked by gov.org.

I guess I can feel when a person is "dead,"--like a victim, but not always.  I NEVER got Elizabeth Smart right.   She totally confused me.  She felt dead, but was obviously not.  But then again, I am more of a perp tracker.  I like the "hunt" of the bad guy.  The other thing is this:  I think others with RV talent can "block" you picking up information about them, even if they don't know about their own talents.   I have never had a "psychic" read me correctly in my entire life, which is very dissappointing, when you've paid your five bucks like everyone else.  (Everybody  needs a fortune cookie now and then!)

But back to your question, it's very interesting.  There are those who specialize speaking to the dead (golly, and even have TV shows, come to think of it.)  But I call that "spiritualism" and not RV.
Cheers
Deb

Tigr50, somewhere around August 3, 2003

RE OBL:
Well, I am still targeting him.  I don't think he is dead, but I don't think he is moving as much as he used to.  Also not making as many cell phone calls and other things that can be tracked by gov.org.

I guess I can feel when a person is "dead,"--like a victim, but not always.  I NEVER got Elizabeth Smart right.   She totally confused me.  She felt dead, but was obviously not.  But then again, I am more of a perp tracker.  I like the "hunt" of the bad guy.  The other thing is this:  I think others with RV talent can "block" you picking up information about them, even if they don't know about their own talents.   I have never had a "psychic" read me correctly in my entire life, which is very dissappointing, when you've paid your five bucks like everyone else.  (Everybody  needs a fortune cookie now and then!)

But back to your question, it's very interesting.  There are those who specialize speaking to the dead (golly, and even have TV shows, come to think of it.)  But I call that "spiritualism" and not RV.
Cheers
Deb

wizopeva, somewhere around August 5, 2003

Cool about the puppy.  Well there's some good feedback for you!   ;)  It reminds me a bit of OBEs in which it is said that people have different energy bodies which are capable of going to different places at the same time.  I remember one time while out of body when I saw both my physical body laying there and then also saw my astral body coming out of it, but yet I was viewing it from a third location.  That was fun!  

Oh yeah, I also do wonder if young infant humans might also be a bit more like puppies too before we become more grounded out in 'reality.'  Perhaps growing up just means getting more cemented into this one point along the continuum of reality vs all the others.  
-E




[quote]Deb asked about animals sensing your presence when you remote view and they are in the target area.  It's happened to me several times.  Actually, animals seeming to sense my presence was the thing that made me fully realize that the "signal line theory" just doesn't work.  

The first time this happened to me I was working an outbound target, a city park.  The cue was to RV the park at the time I would be going there for feedback.  I sensed 2 children with a puppy and a bunch of other irrelevant stuff.  The puppy suddenly looked at me and began wagging his tail.  He semed to move closer to me.  I was bilocating strongly.

When I went there for feedback, my wife and I saw the 2 kids with the puppy on a leash.  I actually saw him suddenly stare off to one side and begin jumping and wagging his tail.  He was reacting to an area where my point of view had been when I was RVing the park.  This freaked me out!  I was watching this dog sense my invisible presence from the past, when I had RVed him!  I had a little trouble dealing with my mind being in several place and several times at once.  Then the puppy spotted me, broke free from the kids and came running over to me like he had known me all his life.  When the kids came over to retreive him, they said he was usually afraid of strangers.

This has happened several times since then.  Animals are much more psychically aware than we are, especially young ones.  They seem to lose it a little as they grow older and become more centered and focused in this material space/time.  A good way to check this out is to have your tasker set up a target where there will be animals and people both present in the target area at the time you are cued on.  Then mix the target into the target pool and wait.  It will come up eventually.  
Don[/quote]

Don_Williams, somewhere around August 9, 2003

Hi Eva,
You mentioned that you wondered if human babies are also more psychically aware before they begin to grow up and become centered in this material reality.  Me too.  Ever notice how babies will often stare off into space as if they are watching something or someone very intently?  Then they sort of just lose interest in whatever it was they were looking at and seem to remember where they are, the room they are in, the people around them, etc.  I've watched babies do that, tried to figure out what it is they are staring at, etc.  I've often wondered if they are aware of something I'm not.
Best Regards,
Don

admin, somewhere around August 9, 2003

When my daughter was a nursing infant, one time looking down at her, I got this idea and imagined a stready stream of "gold sparklies" coming out of my forehead and going into hers.  (I'd had an experience like that once in an energy session with someone.)  About one second after I began imagining this, her eyes got huge and shifted directly up to my forehead.  I was fascinated.  It was perfectly obvious she could see or feel ... something.

Before she was born -- and occasionally after -- we would share dreams.  That was rather odd.

PJ

wizopeva, somewhere around August 9, 2003

Yes, I also have wondered that.  I look at babies so differently now after learning about rv and psi than I did many years ago.  Back then, it was kind of assumed that babies were mostly just clueless and underdeveloped.  Now I wonder if development here in this realm into rational analytical creatures might entail a concurrent regression of skills in other areas.  Perhaps animals who do not develop the rational thinking skills that humans do, might also retain a tad more of their otherworldly skills.  It reminds me a tad of some autistic savants who it has been noticed seem to lose some of their savant skill whenever they gain in real world skills.  It's as if the rational analytical mind somehow masks over a lot of our other natural brilliance and prevents our access to it.  Perhaps the trick to learn is how to allow both at the same time?  But then again, I guess that's a lot of what we are doing with rv..   ;-)
-E  


[quote]Hi Eva,
You mentioned that you wondered if human babies are also more psychically aware before they begin to grow up and become centered in this material reality.  Me too.  Ever notice how babies will often stare off into space as if they are watching something or someone very intently?  Then they sort of just lose interest in whatever it was they were looking at and seem to remember where they are, the room they are in, the people around them, etc.  I've watched babies do that, tried to figure out what it is they are staring at, etc.  I've often wondered if they are aware of something I'm not.
Best Regards,
Don [/quote]

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