Topic [1753] July 10 Mission-Sphinx Erosion TKR Remote Viewing Forum July 2006

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wizopeva, somewhere around July 3, 2006

One thing about tasking, every time I choose a wording for a tasking, it's not long before I think of 10 alternative choices that may have been better.  In this case, I could have chosen 'main mechanism that acts on wall to cause vertical erosion.'  Because if you think about it, 'crumbly rock' is probably the main cause of erosion, LOL!  Anyway, here's for assuming tasker intent comes into play here as well!  I want to know what is causing the darned erosion.  Viewers were possibly tempted by the nearby Sphinx body and head itself, but the task was the cause of the erosion.  

I guess i shouldn't have been surprised that I still don't know the answer even though most viewers seemed to be in the area of the target for a lot of their sessions.  

Was it rain?  We get a number of references to clouds, stuff that comes from clouds, puddles, slickness, greenness, snow, ice etc.  But also references to desert, heat, barrenness and dryness.  We get at least 3 references to fish!  One even says fish but no water!  Probably a safe guess to at least assume weather in general had something to do with it at least!  

We get references to food, eating, and mouth.  Also to bacteria, lense, microscope.  Could this be some organism at the microscopic level?

We get references to a female and also to military overtones.  What does that have to do with the tasking itself?  Is it answering the question or wandering to other aspects of the target area?

We get references to cable, fiber optic, wire, columns, poles, etc.  Is this describing the vertical fissures or something else?  We also get references to round things, wheels, buttons, rivets.  Is there some kind of round things?   And machines and metal, what is that?  How about a dentist drill?

There are references to body parts, hands, feet, walking, running.  Is some kind of movement, past or present, affecting the enclosure to a great degree?

Obviously, the true answer might be complex.  We don't know when in time or if the viewers are describing the same mechanism, or how muhc they have wandered away from the tasking.  Still, it's interesting and I can think of a whole boatload of new taskings to try to settle some of the issues, but unfortunately, that would be a really really huge project, LOL!

But here is a question for those who viewed it.  What do you think your tasking says about what caused the vertical erosion?  

And here is a question for everybody, what kinds of followup or alternate taskings would you try if hypothetically you were in charge of the project of figuring out what caused the erosion?  Or if you were in charge of trying to date the SPhinx and enclosure (assuming they were made at about the same time which evidence does seem to suggest they were)?
-E  

Marv_Darley, somewhere around July 10, 2006

My whole session centres around the impression of a determined group of men drilling or hacking into a stoney cave. All of it. At no point did I get anything other than that...

So in my opnion those fissures were caused chiefly by men trying to get access into to the Sphinx. I`m prepared to trust my viewing on this one....the whole session just felt right as I was doing it.

That`s not to say that weather, rain, water, bacteria, scientific research etc have not contributed to the erosion since then...I`m sure they have.

Marv  :)

morgan, somewhere around July 11, 2006

i got a lot of symbols and noise.  the fish. the eye. etc.. all of that is symbolic but not so relevant to the question at hand.  the pics of pyramids are nice and its good to know that some part of me was actually somewhere near the matter at hand (there was also a pyramid with light coming out of it or coming down on it - but then again.. i was drawing a lot of electricity/lightning type symbols then too.  and i doubt there is lightning in the desert. wouldnt make much sense for there to be. besides.. the target isnt a pyramid.)
   
I was thinking about atmospheric pollution from planes and industry.
storms - windstorm. liquidlike movement without liquid, like waterfall but no water. messy lines enveloping a structure..particles.
on the other hand i drew a waterfall thing, perhaps rain goes off the thing from the top down the vertical channels?

i think that probably wind or sandstorms cause the major erosion - they come from one direction primarily and the angle is such that sand is channelled along in slipstreams.. this and seeping downward water are probably responsible for most of the damage.

additionally complicating the matter, very slight dew from the night probably stays in the fissures longer than outside them, i think there could be small animals (like..lizards or something),  or insects or microbes which are able to survive by crawling up into in the cracks at the right time of day and feeding off the minerals which are freed when the earth is dampened.  maybe bacteria in the stone.

Marv_Darley, somewhere around July 11, 2006

Having done a little bit of research I`ve discovered a couple of things that have made me reconsider...namely that a) the sphinx was carved out of a solid peice of rock and b) there are no tunnels on the southern side (as shown in the tasking photo).

This makes my `drilling through into a cave` impression seem a little less likely...unless the would-be raiders began and then aborted realising that they were drilling into solid rock.

I also realise that I`ve only been thinking about that central main dark fissure in the picture and neglecting all the other ones lol...clearly it`s not drilling that`s responsible for them.

At the end of the day I`m none the wiser. Interesting batch of sessions (and target) to ponder over though.

Marv  :)

wizopeva, somewhere around July 11, 2006

Marv, I think one possible interpretation of your data is that the cause of the fissures possibly lies in the way the sphinx and enclosure was originally made.  Remember, the questoin only asks about the vertical fissures simply because vertical fissures like that have classically been considered the result of water erosion and NOT wind.  Strangely, only the SPhinx and enclosure have such vertical fissures.  Other surrounding creations do not have it.  One of the huge questions is why ONLY the Sphinx and enclosure have it and not other monuments that supposedly date from the same age.  The truth is we don't now how the SPhinx was made.  The original outside surface is all weathered away so we can't even look for the type of gouge or scratch markes.  Scholars have made guesses according to what they think was available at the time they guess the Sphinx was made, but there is no clear historical record of when and how the Sphinx was made.  Hence the controversy.  There's got to be at least a dozen theories about why the vertical fissures are there.  Interestingly, most of the tv shows on the SPhinx badly gloss over the cognizant arguments and don't go into the intricacies of why the issue is still hotly debated.  Myself, I flip flop a lot on my opinions and have been watching the whole debate with interest.  I thought perhaps rv could shed a bit of light on the subject.  The data has indeed been interesting but as often happens,not what I expected.  Who was this female that so many people described I wonder?    

Oh and Morgan, I have heard many a story of extreme amounts of lightening in deserts in the US, so much lightening that it's just scary.  I don't know about Egypt, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was there too.  The Sphinx area does still get some rain to this day as well, but not a lot and many would argue not enough to cause the existing deep vertical fissures, not to mention that such fissures do not exist on any other of the nearby creations.
-E    

RedCairo, somewhere around July 11, 2006

I once had a very intense linear-dreamish where the Sphinx (which looked a bit diff, bigger head) was created by these unusually tall people.  

It had consciousness and when I asked how this could be the answer was that consciousness was not limited to bone and blood but could inhabit stone just as well.

I/We (we were sharing minds) thought it would be lonely, but they were intending to make another, far away but facing it, that would be its mate.

We were in a big valley of sorts but there were no pyramids.

Later I was told that there were anthropological "rumors" of both things having one existed (the Sphinx having a bigger/diff head, and a second one way far away) but who knows.

It was a monument not just in form but in consciousness, as if it represented these people in some fashion.  On the whole my sense was an anchoring "watcher" concept.

Much of archeology and anthropology is severely torqued in estimates of the age of things because there is this belief that "intelligent man" hasn't been around all that long so anything showing a clear sign of intelligent man has to fit within that limit. The number of "anomalies" ignored or discounted because they would completely disprove this is staggering. Fortunately over the last couple of decades in particular, more archeologists have been willing to question the status quo.

Which of course is how we get back to this target. If the Sphinx were built when the first pyramids were which is the assumption, either it would not have that erosion or the pyramids would have it too.  Unless there is some cause nobody's thought of for the erosion.

Alas this is one of those tasks that is difficult to do as a mission because in a first session on something most viewers are likely to get the-something, and in a follow-on session they are more likely to get the task focus (they may get the focus in the first session but likely mixed in with the info from the-something, which might make 'em difficult to pry apart). I wonder if on occasion a mission tasker might make a task that has instructions for two sessions, the second being optional, but a slight retask off the first.

Red

wizopeva, somewhere around July 11, 2006

Well, I think that in a rreal life mission, the tasker would probably task just a few viewers at first and tailor the tasking to the strengths of the individual viewers.  Those that are good at conceptuals would get tasked on conceptuals and those that are good at shape might get more of a request for pictures, shapes, etc.  At least that is how I would do it.  Then I would look at what those sessions were like and decided what kind of tasking was next, maybe more of same or alter the tasking plan a bit.  Plus I don't buy that viewers can't learn to focus on a specific tasking and avoid distractors.  Of course, that is not to say it's easy, but I have seen viewers who can consistantly stay on task so it's totally doable.  Also, sometimes viewers will give some description of all kinds of nearby stuff, but put them in context spacially and then focus in on the more important aspect.  That at least makes it easier to figure out what parts are relevent to the actual needed info.  

Anyway, I have always thought it suspicious that the SPhinx head is too small to be in balance with the body.  The Egyptians never seemed to have such a poor balance in their works.  To me this speaks STRONGLY of a recarving of the head.  Of course that doesn't really mean the SPhinx must be jillions of years older than we thought.  It could have eroded in a somwhat short time and then some enterprising Pharoah got the bright idea to hijack the head for his own and recarve it or something.

Anyway, yeah there is a big stink about the vertical fissures.  Some say the vertical fissures must be the result of intense rain which only existed way far back in time when the area was tropical and so hence the SPhinx musst have been built way earlier.  Others say there could be other reasons for the fissures like that maybe the limestone is weaker there so that modern rain mixed with pollution/bacteria might have a corrosive effect on the weak limestone.  Still, there are a lot of issues that don't quite fit.  I often suspect that nobody has it quite right yet, but at usual, most of those that tout traditional beliefs are almost refusing to even properly address the anomolies and when they do, it's often in a demeaning and superficial way that does not really answer anything at all.
-E    

huffd, somewhere around July 11, 2006

It's an Easter Egg.

Designed from the bottom up to hide it's treasure for a certain length of time. Hence the reference to 'frame' in Lizzies and my session. The single rock theory is pretty magnificent, more likely the flaking rock is was like a spray on finish, somehow rock was heated to magma and poured over the artifact.

workerant, somewhere around July 11, 2006

Hi all,

    I've taken a bit of a break so didn't do the Sphinx. But I remember leaning on [either] Nova or cable [somewhere], that when it was discovered by modern explorers, it was nearly completely buried. Only a portion of the head was above sand.
    Also, I wonder if the timing of the work has any relation to the buried ancient remains of a civization on (I believe) the northern edge of the dessert that is only accessible during a narrow time frame each year. I gotta look that up and find the name of the site. It's real. Anybody know of that???

wizopeva, somewhere around July 11, 2006

Workerant, one argument that the Sphinx can't be older is that there was no civilization around before the Egyptians that they know of and no evidence found of any civilizatoin.  However, near the 'bent' pyramid but at a much lower level was found some kind of structure that is in the same style as the Sphinx enclosure and very dissimilar to other known structures.  Like the Sphinx and enclosure, it has no writing or paintings on it so it's purpose is unknown.  At first, there was much confusion as to why it's foundation was so much lower than the bent pyramid, but then it was surmised that possibly that structure was built much earlier than the bent pyramid.  However, the bent pyramid is supposed to be one of the earliest pyramids.  Anyway, some of hypothesized that if there was an earlier group of peoples, then this other strange structure might be also from them.  Perhaps that is the structure you speak of?  Too bad I can't remember so many details about it beyond that.
-E  

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