Topic [172] RV in foreign languages TKR Remote Viewing Forum September 2003

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Rocheleh, somewhere around September 8, 2003

Hey folks, is there anyone in here besides me who does most of their RVing in some other language than English? How do you cope? :) I know I'm odd, but I've been using some of the worst CRV terminology - in English - in my otherwise Hungarian sessions. And all this in TDS system, Pru'd probably kill me for "target", her intentions were to take out all military style, but that's what appeals to me in RV, don't take my toys away!! ;-)

So I wonder if there's anyone out there, we could share some cool translations - like, I'd love to know about RV in German, there was someone Austrian hanging around on one of the lists, wasn't he? Naja, ich hab' seit EWIGKEITEN überhaupt nie Deutsch gesprochen, aber vielleicht erinnere ich mich an etwas... (Well, I haven't spoken German since AGES, but maybe I still recall a thing or two. At least that's what I wanted to say. ;-))

I guess I brought it up on one of the lists once, but it didn't really generate any replies.

We have Swedes here, right? Bo!....Bo!! -waves- And where are all the Israelis? Israelis are everywhere y'know.  ;)

T-bone, somewhere around September 9, 2003

I always thought it was in a foreign language!  One I had to learn to understand!  LOL!  I think one of Lyn's students said it best stating something like "... trying to read ancient Myan that's been encripted thru some long since dead fish language"...

Fire, somewhere around September 10, 2003

LOL.  I wrote that post on Lyn's website, in Spring of 1996 before I left his house after taking CRV training.  I wonder if he still has it on his site.  I just saw it there some months ago, but the site has changed again. -- PJ

T-bone, somewhere around September 10, 2003

Hi PJ  :)

I tried to find it on Lyn's website but couln't.  It was a great quote, wish I could remember it in it's entirety.  It was almost a "rant"...  LOL

Wizard, somewhere around September 10, 2003

Hello Rocheleh,

I have done many sessions (ERV) in hebrew never had any problem :)

btw my parents where born in Hungary.


Best Wishes
Allen
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http://www.deepawareness.com

Rocheleh, somewhere around September 14, 2003

Hi Allen,

Yofi!! I never knew you were Israeli. (Or maybe you aren't, you just speak Hebrew b/c you're Jewish or some other reason? - suddenly realizes she's being overly intrusive here - Uh nevermind, you don't have to answer. It's nice enough that you do ERV in Hebrew.  ;) You're the first one I know. My Israeli friends are completely disinterested in psi -sigh- And I haven't managed to entice anyone from our shul to try their hands at RV, either. I have tried! And there are some people who'd be interested I guess, but they're all male and it's hard not to make it seem like a proposal or anything... LOL. With the girls it's hopeless. One of them agreed to make a couple targets for me, but that was half a year ago, and she's still nowhere with my padded envelopes... I wonder what did she do with a stack of padded envelopes. They're odd to have around, aren't they? - That is, if you're not doing RV.

Okay, I'll stop ranting and get back to the topic...

ERV is a lot less structured than CRV and its derivative methodologies, isn't it? Like, you don't say stuff like "ideograms" or "AOL Drive Break" etcetc. on every corner, do you? I don't know, I don't have much experience with ERV. (Or maybe I do, it's just that it's a little murky for me exactly what constitutes ERV.) So what I mean is, it's less trouble with translations, CRV/etc have lots of terminology, while ERV is a lot more freeform. (That's not necessarily so, that's only my impression)

Rachel

wizopeva, somewhere around September 18, 2003

Rachel, yeah, that's my general understanding of it, that in ERV, the viewer's job is to try to stay in that magical zone somewhere between asleep and awake and to do what the monitor says.  The monitor has most of the job of organizing things, asking questions etc.  

BUT!  It's depends on who you talk to.  From what I've heard, Morehouse teaches ERV in a way that somewhat follows the CRV structure.  I've heard others say they learned it such that they use a taperecorder and have no physical monitor person to help them.  Lyn B. says that no method taught now is REALLY ERV but instead are forms of guided visualization that may well work but should not be called ERV.  HOwever, Lyn has not yet to my knowledge said why and how that is true so it's of little help to me.  I guess it depends on what the definition of ERV is and who gets a say in the decision and that is something that has not been and probably never will be worked out to everyone's satisfaction.
-E

Wizard, somewhere around September 19, 2003

I agree with Eva ERV is all about going to the magical line of wake/sleep and operating there requesting information from the other side.

Sometimes you need a monitor and sometimes not when we deal with big target that has alot of probing and exploration you need to have a monitor that can be your "left brain" that can operate you and make sure you only retrive information and not have to think or anylize any data just bring it out from the other side.

when you do small targets and need to get only a small piece of informaion you can do it without a monitor for example in practice sites when you know the target is a picture but still blind to its content you can go to the wake/sleep line and ask pre defined questions.


Allen
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http://www.deepawareness.com

michael, somewhere around September 29, 2003

;-) Hello Rocheleh!

Yeah, I think we have the right thing for you! We, that is the ARVA, Austrian Remote Viewing Association. It is our main goal to provide good, firsthand information about RV to germanspeaking people. We are also conducting infotalks and practice-groups in Austria. Currently, we are planning to have a beginners course with Lyn Buchanan in May 2004. You can visit us at www.remote-viewing.at

All the best, Michael ;-)

Rocheleh, somewhere around October 1, 2003

Un-glaub-lich!! :o

Lyn Buchanan in AUSTRIA?! (Yes PJ, I'm shouting  ;) )

I'd like to join in, of course I would :) I don't have plans for May 20-23 yet, so it would be more than doable. Though I wonder how on earth will I RV on Shabbes (no pen, no pencil... oy Hashem).  Anyway, I'll find some solution for that. Could you send me some info - like prices, or accomodation, etc. Yup, I know there is a contact address on the website, but since you're here, I thought I might as well ask you :)

Other questions about the website:

Where exactly are your practice groups situated? (Wien or Wiener Neustadt by any chance?) I'd really like to meet up with you folks, and Austria is not that far. Maybe even before May 2004.

You wrote you'd like to be there for German-speaking people, I take it this means there are no RV organizations in other German-speaking countries, only in Austria? It'd surprise me greatly.

Oy vavoy, I really have to brush up on my German now :) Oh by the way, Lyn will hold the course in English, or will he? Does he speak German?

Wishing you all the best :) ,

Rachel

michael, somewhere around October 4, 2003

Dear Rachel!

Ja, unglaublich, oder?

Yes, we are planning for this course since spring of this year.  Although we have no definite contract with Lyn (and I neither didn't mean to put some pressure on him nor to promise something which finally doesn't happen) he repeatedly showed sincere interest to come to us for a beginners course! So I think it is up to us now to organize everything.

The idea is, that if 6 people (the size of a regular beginners course) have to travel to Alamorgordo, take accomodation and pay for the course it would be about 3000$ for eachone.

If we, the ARVA invite Lyn and his wife and pay for their trip it will be only about half the costs. And since Lyn and Linda would like to see our beautiful country, there are great synergies.

Since the groupsize is very limited, there are only 4 places left for this course.

You wont have to view on "Shabbes" (for whatever it means???). You will be able to use pen and paper...and believe it or not we will even provide a chair and a table *lol*

For prices and accomodation list, I ask you to mail me/us privately (michael@remote-viewing.at or office@remote-viewing.at) or give us your post adress so that we can send you infos and a registration form.

Now to your other questions:

Group situation: Our group is situated near Graz, which is in the south of Austria (about 160 km highway south of Vienna)

Although this may not be near your place, there is still a chance that we could meet before spring 2004. My job from time to time takes me near Wiener Neustadt, Wien or Eisenstadt (near the Hungarian boarder). So maybe we can privately arrange a physical meeting for "RV-Talk", Targets-exchange and so on. Feel free to mail me.

Other RV-sites: I didn't mean to suggest that there are no german RV-sites on the web. There are no other rv-sites/organizations in Austria.

Our goal is it to bring rv without "spooks", without guruism and with a scientific approach to german-speaking people. We are a non-profit org. and are not selling videos, how-to-books etc. Our interest is not commercial. We do not remote view for a living. We invest our freetime and our private powers and resources to achieve our goal, which is to raise the public awareness about rv and to provide good "un-political" information. We are neutral regarding the different RV-Schools and Systems and are not sponsored by one of those. These points discerne us from other german rv-sites.

Course Language: Yes, Lyn does speak a little German (during his Militarycareere he was stationed in Augsburg/Germany). But, Yes the course will be held in English and yes we will provide for translations if necessary.

So, hope that covers all your questions. We are always v e r y  happy to find like-minded people and I am  r e a l l y  looking forward to meet with you.

All the best for now,

Michael


Un-glaub-lich!!  

Lyn Buchanan in AUSTRIA?! (Yes PJ, I'm shouting    )

I'd like to join in, of course I would  I don't have plans for May 20-23 yet, so it would be more than doable. Though I wonder how on earth will I RV on Shabbes (no pen, no pencil... oy Hashem).  Anyway, I'll find some solution for that. Could you send me some info - like prices, or accomodation, etc. Yup, I know there is a contact address on the website, but since you're here, I thought I might as well ask you  

Other questions about the website:

Where exactly are your practice groups situated? (Wien or Wiener Neustadt by any chance?) I'd really like to meet up with you folks, and Austria is not that far. Maybe even before May 2004.

You wrote you'd like to be there for German-speaking people, I take it this means there are no RV organizations in other German-speaking countries, only in Austria? It'd surprise me greatly.

Oy vavoy, I really have to brush up on my German now  Oh by the way, Lyn will hold the course in English, or will he? Does he speak German?

Wishing you all the best  ,

Rachel

wizopeva, somewhere around October 4, 2003

Hi Michael,

Your org sounds great.  I hope you do succeed in your plan to promote rv in a nonpolitical fashion.  Yeah, you will probably have to do all of the organizing yourself and keep in close contact with Lyn and Linda to make sure they are with the program.  It's amazing how much time something like that can take sometimes.  But I think you'll find it will be a fun time for all when Lyn does come to visit, and as you say, you'll be saving money over visiting the US, that's for sure.  Now if the time comes closer and you don't have all the people you need, or if you want to start early, please feel free to formulate a general announcement for the announcement section of the board.  And if you like, I can also post it to the P>S>I section section of the board.  Just let me know and good luck!
-E

 

michael, somewhere around October 5, 2003

Thanks for your positive feedback, Eva ;-)! It really encourages me to continue the good work! For sure, it  takes a lot of time to keep the website up to date, keep on with translating the material into German, all the organizing and the paperork...:P

But it is like Lyn once said: "If it really is important enough for you, you'll find the time to!"

Regarding your offer to publish the course: I would be eternally gratefulif you could do so! Please, just let me check with Lyn if it's allright with him.

Maybe, the ARVA can also post a logo or a link on this site? Maybe in a box "foreign language rv"? Just let us know.

Thanks for now,

Michael

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