Topic [191] The Patterns of Reality TKR Remote Viewing Forum October 2003

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admin, somewhere around October 9, 2003

I've really started to become more aware of lately is how few... patterns seem to make up reality.

It's kind of like there are just only so many... building blocks in our reality, geometries or numbers or energies or whatever, and they are used to make seemingly infinite landscapes and experiences, but in reality, they ARE a limited set.

As one example, the first time in a session I got the sense of, "layers... all in motion, they affect each others' movement yet they move independently... and generally horizontally," it turned out to be ocean tides.  

Having spent much of my young life swimming in the ocean with riptides and surf, I understood this. The next time or two it did as well, then I was AOLing on tides when I got that sense.  

But then I had a target with a similar feeling, and it turned out to be all these swirling energies in UV from the magnetic pole of jupiter.  I could see on feedback how I'd get that feeling--it was clearly similar--but I marveled at how it was like the "layered tides" of our ocean, you know, the same pattern, but one was water and one was -- ah, energy.  

The next time I got it, it was the rings of Saturn.  Again, I could see on feedback the logic of that 'sense', how they were layers and there was all this stuff slowly rising and sinking in them and seeming to float on the surface and so forth-- but again I marveled at how that "pattern" -- that sense of some basic shape-motion-dynamic -- was similar to the magnetic pole energies of jupiter and the ocean tides of earth.

This helps, because the more variance in targets I experience on one "sense", the less AOL I get next time, as my mind has a wider range of options and doesn't fix a pattern so easily.

I am sure there are probably targets that involve clouds or weather conditions that would have a similar feeling.  And there are probably many other things I've never even thought of that would.

This got me thinking about how many amazing similarities there are between any one thing and any other thing in our reality.

Dr. May of RV science research told me that about 30% of all data collected will apply to about 30% of the targets.  In other words a lot of what we get accurate might be luck, LOL, especially on targets where we think we got 'some things right but half or more not'.  

When you take into consideration data that is symbolic as well, it really just emphasizes how our reality seems to be some fundamental patterns repeating itself in infinite variants.  If you take into consideration the dismissal of scale (which is not always obvious to the viewer with a given impression), it gets even more amazing.

I wonder if the Cabala (QBL) studies and "correspondences" in various occult studies relate to this.  Why do a variety of things "relate to" a given number in those systems?  Liz posted a dream elsewhere on the board not long ago about the 'code' of reality, and one thing being based on the same geometry or code as another-- not just physical things, but events and experience and ideas and so forth.  Might there be some fundamental geometry underlying reality that is at the root of the many 'repeating patterns' we find throughout our world and experience?

If so, is it too esoteric or far out to wonder if, someday, psychic ability could be used to better understand the "structure UNDERlying reality" and not just RV for reality itself?

PJ

waterway, somewhere around October 10, 2003

[size=4][color=Red]Ahah![/color][/size]

That is one of the main reasons I am into this RV stuff to begin with.  I am convinced that the mechanics of RV will explain the next level of understanding of the physical universe.  If you can tell me how RV works, you tell me how reality works.  Today's  miracles are tomorrows science.  Okay, that's a bit arrogant, but it seems each new schema of  how reality works of course opens up a whole new can of questions, asked in new terms.  I don't think it can all be answered.... and that's what makes it fun.

Yes, the [color=Green]Indra's Web[/color] metaphor is better than other's I've sampled, but it I expect it to be replaced with a NEW metaphor that explains more.  I suspect the patterns we find, are just the tips of the iceberg (that is the real way things work) that is poking out into our science.  But we are finding new manifestations of the REAL deal that don't fit our present understanding of what is REAL... so we are digging around...

energycritter, somewhere around January 21, 2004

The following is a quote from one of Dr. David Hawkins' books. I believe he wrote it (the quote), not sure though. It (the quote) came from his first book, "Power versus Force."

I am posting it because it mentions patterns, so to speak.


The skillful are not obvious
They appear to be simple-minded
Those who know this know the patterns of the Absolute
To know the patterns is the Subtle Power
The Subtle Power moves all things and has no name

Anotherdreamer, somewhere around January 21, 2004

Yes David R Hawkins, M.D.,Ph.D. wrote Power vs. Force. It's what I was reading just before going to bed last night.  The thing I've found so far is there is nothing new in it for me. But, it is beautifully done.  

I’m glad I picked up that book because I was also reading yesterday Mass Control: Engineering Human Consciousness by Jim Keith.  If one doesn’t have a core belief of what is supreme, then I can see how we could have a kind of mass hysteria bubbling out of our human experience.

PJ, I agree that there are geometric variations in the pattern of our present reality. I think one is a circle with a triangle inside.

energycritter, somewhere around January 21, 2004

[quote]Yes David R Hawkins, M.D.,Ph.D. wrote Power vs. Force. It's what I was reading just before going to bed last night.  [/quote]

Yep, I knew that David wrote the book, I have all three of his books, I was not sure if he wrote the quote regarding patterns, most likely he did. All three of his books are great....especially his last one titled, "I", good stuff...

ec

waterway, somewhere around January 27, 2004

PJ said:
[color=Orange] "Might there be some fundamental geometry underlying reality that is at the root of the many 'repeating patterns' we find throughout our world and experience?"
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I am getting the idea that we know things due to patterns and connections of things.  Especially in RV it seems that information connects with other information, and we work through those connections, those relationships, to find the RV info.

jimk, somewhere around January 28, 2004

[quote]I've really started to become more aware of lately is how few... patterns seem to make up reality.

It's kind of like there are just only so many... building blocks in our reality, geometries or numbers or energies or whatever, and they are used to make seemingly infinite landscapes and experiences, but in reality, they ARE a limited set. [/quote]


Hi,

I agree, there appears to be a limited set of conceptual blocks of meaning, but more importantly, in reality there is also a sense of beauty, organization and hierarchy in which the total is greater than the sum of its parts.

I hope that we through RV are able to investigate some fundamental aspects of the nature of reality, and also begin to unravel the mysteries of more emotional aspects of life, such as purpose and love.

Jim K.

waterway, somewhere around January 29, 2004

Jim K.,

How do you think "[color=Blue]Purpose[/color] and [color=Blue]Love[/color]" fit into the whole RV picture?

Thanks.

jimk, somewhere around January 29, 2004

How this fits into the RV picture???  I don't know.

If we discover "the ultimate building blocks" of the Universe through RV, I wonder if we will also find answers to more esoteric questions such as "What is Love" and "What is the purpose of life" etc. etc.

I know I am bordering on religious and esoteric stuff, but the question is nevertheless valid, or at least these are questions I am personally interested in.

Jim K.

energycritter, somewhere around January 29, 2004

[quote]I know I am bordering on religious and esoteric stuff, but the question is nevertheless valid, or at least these are questions I am personally interested in.

Jim K.

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Love/compassion/open-heartedness does not necessitate or mandate religion or esoteric stuff.

Like Zen Buddhism, for example, it is not a religion; in fact, it has been referred to as the worlds largest Non-religion and it is comprised of an overall attitude towards life and human experience and existence.

So, love can be considered an attitude that facilitates whatever it is applied to, it can cover and allow immediate tolerance for the moments in life that tends to perplex and dismay.

Granted, not all can muster up love to apply to all moments, but, nonetheless, love is still existent, however dependent on the person that it may be, it still exists and it can work wonders for those that can work it.

I just wanted to throw that in, just for fun and support of the overall subject.  ;)

ec

waterway, somewhere around January 29, 2004

I think its safe to say that the esoteric stuff used to be more easily dismissed in earlier times, when physics didn't contain all the "woo-woo" aspects that it has today.  The fact that RV is real just adds to that questioning of the present theory of "how reality works".  In this situation, we would be neglegent to NOT pull in esoteric elements to try to tease out a truer true.  Not that anything goes, but at this point, since what HAS to work doesn't explain it, something that CANNOT work must be involved.  Its like I tell the kids, when we cannot find something around the house... since we cannot find what we are looking for where its supposed to be, we need to look in all the places it shouldn't be.

..... and on a completely unrelated note but responding to the mention of love and buddhism... in my limited understanding of buddhism, compassion and love need to be considered either the same or at least deeply intertwined.   In that way, it seems to have more to apply to our understanding of the perceiving mind and how RV works.  Not that I have to reduce all squishy terms to RV jargon.... but that does make it a bit less esoteric, if that is something we care to do.....

energycritter, somewhere around January 30, 2004

[quote]The fact that RV is real just adds to that questioning of the present theory of "how reality works".  In this situation, we would be neglegent to NOT pull in esoteric elements to try to tease out a truer true.  [/quote]

My point was to support the questioning of Jimk in general, even if it did border on religion or esoteric stuff.

As you mentioned though, let's check the whole house, I would like to see as much conjecture as we can muster to be thrown at any of this stuff, RV or tiddlywinks, love or compassion, ping pong or Lobotomies, we must question it all..... ;-)

As far as the religious and esoteric stuff, I love both arenas and we can play in and search out those areas as best we can.

I do not consider all that I have read in books to be any better than what people know about life that have never written a book. As far as I am concerned, authors have been published becuase they wrote a book, not because they were correct about what they wrote. Therefore, I feel that the members of this forum have as much to contribute to life as any author that has ever been publish, so, jump in people/lurkers/members... :P

I have been refraining from referencing any of that religious and esoteric stuff because it is already rendered in books and the religious stuff is to be "kept to a minimum" within the TKR boards, a perfectly understandable request that I honor completely.... ;-)

I am hoping for something new to come along from one of the lurking members or an active member. I would like to see something new, something fresh and hot off the press of someone's immediate, active and objective bundle of noodles (brain) between their ears, rendered live and real-time while logged-in to TKR.... ;)


But, speaking of something new....EC's religious reference #1....there is nothing new under the sun, although, I think PJ already made that remark on a different thread.... :)


As for love....EC's esoteric reference #1, the findings of the High Magic (ritual and ceremonial) of the Golden Dawn....LOVE under Will.

[u]WILL[/u]
LOVE

The funny thing about that is the religious would say that it should be the other way around....the WILL would be under the LOVE....LOL....OK, I will say no more... ;-)

ec

George, somewhere around January 30, 2004

I am hoping for something new to come along from one of the lurking members or an active member. I would like to see something new, something fresh and hot off the press of someone's immediate, active and objective bundle of noodles (brain) between their ears, rendered live and real-time while logged-in to TKR....

Energycritter

Would you recognize the new idea if it was presented in an ordinary manner.  Most people need to be sold.  In fact I’ve been astounded at how many people totally pass by really wonderful things like RV and reverse speech etc.  For instance, about nine years ago I started looking into reverse speech.  It taps into most anything that RV can and good info can be aquired by a single moderately skilled researcher.  While RV generally requires a team.

On one of my web pages I wrote:

“Almost everybody sometime in their life stumbles onto something fantastic.  And almost everybody then picks themselves up and goes on as though nothing ever happened.  When the bright open-minded one picks it up and polishes off the dust and yells LOOK!  Most people still go on as if nothing happened!  Only when the salesman (honest or dishonest) comes along, do people apparently take a look.  Why is that so?”

You are obviously more than a step above most people to have noticed RV etc.  But, how much further can you go?

energycritter, somewhere around February 6, 2004

Hey George, thanks for the sales pitch, it made me chuckle....

I am not presently able to down load your software, but, I have been reading your web stuff and watching to see waterway/Benton's results as he plays with your diamond in the rough.

Your efforts are expressed with such enthusiasm, as well as your sales pitch...LOL

I am a supporter of the diamond in the rough kind of thing....hopefully your diamond is not flawed as portions or your sales pitch could be,  ;)....LOL... ;)....but, that is a different story.... ;)  ;-)....I am not one to be influenced by sales pitches no matter what the product  ;) or how ever clever or non-valid the stroking of my ego  ;)....LOL, but, I am trying to practice tolerance and suchlike this year as part of my New Years resolution....LOL...I am not sure that I am doing very well though.... ;-)...so, bear with me.... :)...... ;-)

Either way, your product and its theories may be onto something and if not, it does make for fun play stuff and psi stuff has many toys, and/or crutches too....maybe your stuff is neither a toy or a crutch, maybe it is that "Holly Grail of psi" as you referred to it in your original postings..... ;)....lots of fun nonetheless.... ;-)

Here's to your success George and the success of your stuff/product, "Ching Ching" (the sound of wine glasses touching across a table...LOL... ;-) )

psi buddy ec

waterway, somewhere around February 6, 2004

[color=purple]Went back and re-read the opening post cuz I think this is important stuff.

I am now working my way through the book "Networks of Meaning" by Dr. Christine Hardy.  Have any of youz guys read it?  Its fascinating.  This brilliant lady is exploring the idea that concepts we have in our minds relate to each other through shared traits... [size=1]...sound familiar...?[/size]  Anyway, I think it has a lot to tell us about how RV works and how we gather in data.  

Getting back to PJs observations, she stated: [/color]

[color=Blue]"...because the more variance in targets I experience on one "sense", the less AOL I get next time, as my mind has a wider range of options and doesn't fix a pattern so easily."[/color]

[color=purple]I believe that the reason this occurs is because the more you use a concept in a given situation, the tighter the connection.  So this "layers" concept will become more associated with RV use, and become more reliable there.  On the other hand, I suppose the wider the swath you paint with it... the less pertinent it becomes for that same use.  I wonder if that's why ideograms change...?

What do you think?
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George, somewhere around February 7, 2004

Hi Energycritter:
  It looks as though my communication has gone side ways again.  Sorry about that.  My post was not aimed at you specifically, but almost all of humanity in general.  "We don't get it" about the important things.  I don't get it, about my communications and many other things as you can see.  Why does it have to be a sales pitch, can’t one simply tell the truth and have others take a look?  Yes, I know that how I’ve presented “Magic Mind Analyzer” is rather poor.
  Another instance of my blindness is: It took me 20 years to figure out that Oswald did not kill JFK.  It took me more years to realize that it was not accidental that the government and mainstream media had it wrong.  It took me even more years to identify the liars and their modius operandi.  Why are we so slow?  
    The big point as I see it, is we have this almost unlimited mind that can know almost anything.  Time and space seems to be no significant barrier.  Remote viewing and other PSI research have very well proven this.  Just my own research probably clocks out at way over a trillion to one.  Yet, probably 99% of humanity lives their lives as though it does not exist or is something way different.  
   Taking a major step up, the remote viewing community generally knows that RV can access almost anything in time and space including to some extent the future and possible futures.  Yet, I don't know of any one who is asking really good questions, like "How do we use RV to improve RV?"
    I have little knowledge about how to make good RV targets, but imagine this RV target of a potential future.  The average RVer is doing what is needed to make an optimal improvement in their RV results.   This might end up being something like the RVer sitting in a pyramid with their head at the queens chamber location, drinking a particular kind of pineapple juice and listening to a particular kind of Tibetan chant in stereo.
  The next step is for RVer's to do this.  Now lets say that good RV data doubles as a result of doing this.  Then a new RV target needs to be done for further improvements.   Maybe this time the amount of good data triples.  Eventually the veil will be no more!
    BTW, I found a reversal on the female chorus in the song "Aquarius", you know "This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius."  This reversal said: "Your veil is gone!"  I believe that the reversal means that in the new age coming, our veils are gone!  No separation between our conscious minds and our deeper minds.  That to me is the real "Holy grail" for all of humanity.  But we seem to mostly be ignoring it.  
  This same sort of things is happening with the Reverse Speech community.  Reverse speech (RS) can access similar kinds unlimited info as RV.  One guy is using RS to help attorneys with their cases.  The rest of the RS trained people are using it to help clients with their psychological challenges.  That’s a fair use of RS yet, there is sooooo much more and it's generally being ignored.  Again, “We don't get it.”
   That is more of the point I was trying to make.  If something wonderful comes along will we see it?   I apologize for being so clumsy in my previous post.

energycritter, somewhere around February 9, 2004

George, you need not apologize, I was being unnecessarily critical. I am sorry. After I posted I felt like I was too critical and/or completely wrong to even be critical at all, I should have kept my mouth shut. Your post was fine and I needed to simply reply and not critique.... ;-)

Give me a bit of time and I will be back to reply again. I am short on time right now and I plan on responding to your remarks about humanity and our ignorance and the “being out of the way” that does seem to dominate the posture and positionality of the collective conscience and the majority of individuals. I also plan to respond to your post on reverse speech and the veil stuff. Keep the passion, no matter what the goal.... ;)

Cheers, ec

harriet, somewhere around May 30, 2004

Has it occured to anyone, particularly those with an interest in Vedic or Buddhist math to check out
Sacred Geometry as a blue print for the patterns
of every level of Reality?

waterway, somewhere around May 31, 2004

hmmm.... tell me about this Sacred Geometry, please.

harriet, somewhere around May 31, 2004

An article within the past 4 issues appeared in NEXUS magazine on Sacred Geometry.  It references several
in-depth books on the subject.  You might want to have a look-see.  I'll go into "search" and get you more info
or you can check it out yourself.  The books deserve at least one  "click on this".  I do not want to deliver any pre-conceptions here on the subject.  You would probably wish to formulate your own.  Later ;-)

Nightmare, somewhere around May 31, 2004

Realities gained in the position of intuition not necessarily point in the same directions all the time.Seperate comparisons do occur at any given moment.Consequently the reality you so firmly express cannot concretely sustain itself in the realm of the future.At any given moment,even your position can change.

Tunde, somewhere around May 31, 2004

waterways asked :

"How do you think "Purpose and Love" fit into the whole RV picture? " in response to a Jim k question.

Personaly,
i cringe when we start seeing love in terms of
esoteric in RVing.

There is nothing esoteric about love or trying to define
or identify it. love is what we are to varying degrees.
The good, the bad , and the downright ugly or evil
are all expressions of love and indentified by
just how much love is expressed and accepted within
all things or beings.

without love there can be no RV.

Peace,
Tunde

admin, somewhere around May 31, 2004

Well, without air there can't be either.  ;-)  You just moved it into the most 'esoteric' description it could possibley have--'that which pervades all'.

PJ

harriet, somewhere around May 31, 2004

told Waterway I'd get back to him on refs to Sacred Geometry -- check out its Home Page -- Rawles' work.
I'm doing some separate archeological reads now in which I feel many far eastern ruins  of cities and temples were designed on the basics of Sacred Geometry...so far its checking out.

The Mandala principle of Totality coming to a "center"
is part of Sacred Geometry.  The center mirror images
the Totality -- so in that respect P.J.'s got it right --
Its like the meditative processes of going "into" a single point (like candle, or Mandala focus, breathing) then expanding outward from there.  The single "point" is the doorway to the Totality...(if that makes any sense to you)

Toroids are a great way to "space" into ERV...the mind naturally flows towards the center of one.  Once at the center, let go and allow the totality or target to come to you!  Whatever comes is generally of "interest"...

Hope that explains a little of how Sacred Geometry can help with Remote Viewing's Patterns of Reality...at least for "here"...

Tunde, somewhere around June 1, 2004

>>Well, without air there can't be either.    You just moved it into the most 'esoteric' description it could possibley have--'that which pervades all'.  

PJ >>

Nope, without love there would be no air ;-)
love is all, the creator, the destroyer the beginning
and the end.  labelling love 'esoteric' dosent neccessarily make it so, in fact how can it be? ;-)

Peace,
Tunde

Glyn, somewhere around June 1, 2004

Hi Harriet,

[quote]Toroids are a great way to "space" into ERV...the mind naturally flows towards the center of one.  Once at the center, let go and allow the totality or target to come to you!  Whatever comes is generally of "interest"...[/quote]

Ah is that coincidence or is it not? Over on the ERV thread there was mention of a 'vortex' technique and I was curious about it. Interesting idea about the Sacret Geometry connection.

I take it you ERV Harriet (?). If you don't mind saying..where did you learn about using that technique?  Any more info where that came from...can you suggest a good book to read about Sacred Geometry and its applications re 'psi'?

Sorry about all the questions. I'm another one who is  interested in the recurring 'patterns' that seem to make up our existance.  ;-)


Kind regards,
Glyn

harriet, somewhere around June 1, 2004

Try Rawles' home page in "search" for all the info you can possibly want on Sacred Geometry.  As to method,
its a little ERV, along with a blank sheet of paper, relaxing into getting into the One Point of "go" and letting whatever happens or come from a cloaked target like the one on the Peanut Gallery yesterday, "flow"...
words come in, images, the scrawl oftentimes looks like a kid's ketch done while day dreaming at school...
When it reaches a point where nothing else is coming in
then its a "wrap"...got some great "On Target" stuff yesterday with a peanut in the Galleries on this one.

The nightime stuff is different and from what I can tell about it, somebody is doing a  military style ERV
trip with accessing me just at the point of entering
sleep.  I can actually FEEL the entry.  Whoever it is tries to "grab" the beginnings of Delta state (4hz and below)
and "entrain" it towards a specific event or View or
dream.  I resent the HELL out of this one as I don't yet know who is doing it, but have called the person everything but a Human Being.  I've actually ended up in a dream looking at a weapons lab COMPLETELY plated in gold with barrels of something coming up from an underground chamber, being picked up by a robotic arm, and deposited on another conveyor belt to a small door to "sunlight".  I woke up asking myself "What the hell was THAT?"

This is involuntary "use" of my mind to "view" something from another person's "agenda".

Now, coooooooling down.  Sanctuary is wherever you want that sanctuary to be (if not being brain napped getting to it)--creating one from scratch is fun -- and every person I've ever known has a "personal" sacred space.  When I taught Hatha yoga years back I'd take people in deep relaxation to a tropical beach, hammocks, cool breeze, palm trees, describing all of
what could be seen, felt, scents, heard like sea gulls and tropical birds and the like.  I've had 20 people "out there" with this one, then would bring them gradually
back to where the class was gently...Some told me they "experienced" the space.  I reminded them they were the ones who took themselves there, and could return there whenever they wanted without anyone else describing the "space" to them. ( reinforcement of their personal empowerment of self-induced hypnogogic state).

Vortex -- go to the Sacred Geometry site and look at the various shapes and forms available for your "vortexing" pleasure.  Mandalas are Vortex material too.  Today, while cooling out with Dave Matthews Band on CD, I wandered across a visualization that was a brilliant go-with screen background for ERV..."battery randomization" was its name.  I found myself starting to go into The Zone just watching the screen for a few minutes...

I will sometimes use music (Matchbox Twenty, John Mayer, Three Doors Down) to "get up" -- then gradually cooling down, will find the relaxation phase easier
to enter if I genuinely want to "look" at something.

Each person has their own method apart from standardized "Protocols" to "get to where they want to go"...There's more I could share -- but I'll leave it at that for now. I enjoy your posts!  Thank you.  

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