Topic [50] The "Shiny Doorknob" effect TKR Remote Viewing Forum July 2003

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weewizard, somewhere around July 21, 2003

I'd like to introduce a topic here that we often refer to as the Shiny Doorknob effect. In short, it is the tendency of novice RVers to blow past an actual target for it's more interesting nearby companion, thereby focusing on the "shiny doorknob" in the picture rather than the actual target, and missing the gestalt altogether. It has been postulated that this is often an effective technique for 'hiding' certain types of information from novice types. Advanced viewers are supposed to be able to reccognize these types of subconscious traps and avoid being lured in by them. Almost all viewers experience this type of scenario sooner or later and learn from the experience.

An example was once given that a good place to hide something very important would be right next to a loud, permanent amusement park. Most beginning viewers would be drawn to the noise and excitement of the amusement park and miss whatever the 'hidden' information was that constituted the true target.

Anyone have any examples that they would like to share?

I can personally remember one from a beginning class where the target was Chaco Canyon and the settlements there, but many of the viewers (including me) were drawn to an interesting side target, later identified as an 'energy portal' instead. I personally felt a pulsing, wavy energy that reminded me of standing in the ocean waves and was certain this must be the actual target. Wrong. The session was a 'bust'. :( But then again, I learned some interesting things about detecting energetic patterns. So maybe not a total bust.

admin, somewhere around July 21, 2003

I'd say your feedback about the 'portal' was a protocol problem that may have caused the actual problem in session.  That is nearly always an issue in in-person group work, especially for novice viewers.

Sometimes targets are just boring.  I think psychically we tend to notice what interests us just like we do consciously!

Also, the shannon entropy studies that Dr. May did during the stargate problem actually came (he once told me) from his considering that perhaps if psi really WERE a 'sixth sense,' then perhaps it would operate like other senses.  Our other senses are much better at recognizing change.  We don't see the rabbit motionless on the landscape.  But the minute it moves, we instantly tune into it and pick it apart from the surroundings.  He hypothesized that is psi had that same strength, that targets with more rate of difference or change might get more or different response from viewers.  (He was apparently correct.)

Currently in my practice I have a similar but slightly different issue.  It appears that my mind will not instantly see a target as separate from that which makes it fit into reality. For example a man in space will not appear without the context of the space station he is working on.  If the session is long enough, I'll eventually get to the focus, which might be the man. But it means that in most targets, I get the primary things that invoke them. If it's a search&rescue, I get the plane crash and destruction/death as well.  If it's someone's thoughts as something happens, I get the environment and what is happening as well.  Alas, none of this in enough detail to claim any great viewing skill...

But enough I can see that the primary interconnected aspects of the target are not particularly separated, which kind of means it's like I need to do a long enough, deep enough session to flesh it all out, then it would be a good session.  But mostly I am doing 'exercises' because my time is limited.  I don't have two hours for a long ERV, I have 10 minutes.  

So I don't get to all the tasking focus.  Although technically I can see my data relates to the target/feedback, it isn't specifically the tasking goal.  I'm sure I'll work through it.  Eventually!

PJ

weewizard, somewhere around July 21, 2003

PJ,

Thanks for the input on the protocol issue. I thought that protocol issues might have been part of the situation, but only realized the possibility of this after several years of learning about RV and listening to others discuss some of the more common pitfalls of group viewing, such as RVing the outcome, etc. In any event it was a useful exercise.

I do find that I'm easily bored with certain kinds of targets. I tend to enjoy those that involve drama and excitement and do better with the data on those than other targets that might be interesting for historical reasons done in present time. In a way it parallels the types of books I like to read.

I really admire the tenacity of the professional viewers when I realize what type of discipline it must have taken to have done this 40 hours or more a week for so many years on targets where they may have had little or no feedback, much less interest.

I think I have experienced the type of situation you are speaking about with lack of separation between object and overall situation, and in my case it is only when I repeatedly ask for answers on the specifics (usually in ERV more than CRV) that the information separates itself out, and certainly only in sessions longer than ten minutes. I think you may find that this will work itself out as you have more time to spend on a session.

Although I have no idea how you'll fit that in with all the posting you're having to keep up with here!  ;-)  ;-)

Deb

energycritter, somewhere around July 23, 2003

PJ mentioned on a different post how she had told herself, or programmed herself to wake up at a specific time and she would, well, can you tell yourself to not fall for the shiny doorknob and thereby program yourself to see clearer without the distractions

Osho, in his rendering of the Tantra and the book of secrets mentions the ability to tell yourself, while using your own name, to do this or that while in a state of sleep or trance type thing and you would. I do not know, just curious if this could be affective for RV prefiltering or whatever it would be called.

BC the EC

weewizard, somewhere around July 23, 2003

Energycritter,

I've never tried to 'program myself' prior to a session as you have suggested (since at the time I fell for the doorknob I didn't know such a thing existed) but it's possible that it could work. I have programmed myself to wake up at specific times and been successful with that, beating my alarm clock by a minute or so.

Doorknobbing is also often mentioned as a beginning RV error, so possibly it's something that "wears off" with viewer experience over time.

It's certainly worth a try to put the suggestion in before the session and see if you ever run across the problem. I guess if you didn't you could assume the programming worked.  :)

Deb

energycritter, somewhere around July 23, 2003

weewizard, let us know how it goes.

A problem that may arrise as a result of trying to do that would be if you then build a block into your mind that would actually prevent you from going where you need to go inside your mind.

I am not sure, like I have said in other postings, I have never RVed, but, I plan to play with it real soon, no time at the present or privacy and whatnot. I do love to play in my head though...I think I will love RVing...yea, I think so...

I feel like it could be possible to determine a type of overall affective programming for your mind that would help all of your results. Stupid me, that is porbably what is too be taking place during personal training, practice and whatnot. But, like I said, what do I know about RVing....absolutly nothing....I love knowing nothing, that will be to my advantage someday. Not yet, but, someday.

I love this stuff....I am learning just from hearing everyone's ideas and thoughts about it all.

I guess I should put my name in the directory and see if anyone is RVing in my area...?

BC te EC

wizopeva, somewhere around July 23, 2003

Energycritter,

I suspect that the 'programming' thing will probably work but only if you believe it will, hehe.  I suspect also that the power of affirmations is the same kind of deal.  It lies in the power of belief and confidence.   That's my latest theory anyway!
-E

MoHonRi, somewhere around July 25, 2003

Hey Weewizard,   maybe you should check out this site...

http://www.wingmakers.com/fullintro.html

Notice where this place is 'supposed' to be.


MoH

Fire, somewhere around September 19, 2003

I've thought about this a little more since the thread first came along.

You know, I think most of the work most viewers are doing is 'development' work.  Which means that really, the 'point' to that work is up to us to define.

I've had several 'doorknobbing' or 'peacocking' experiences in RV sessions over time, hasn't everybody I imagine.  But in most cases, it was a pretty neat experience.  Usually it was because my mind was 'drawn to fascination' on something and it happened more when I first began.  It's true that technically, the target is the whole target; focusing on just one aspects puts the whole session out of context.  But I also think it's true that we learn from it, not only from doing it and getting feedback, but from the rather cool experience of that close-up focus.

In lucid dreaming, one of the real interesting things is that if you really focus on something, it will open up to you.  I could give a million examples but here is just one, I was in this mansion in a lucid dream and the wallpaper was really complex and ornate.  Kind of tickled and intrigued by how pretty it was, I leaned forward to look at it.  It got more, and more, elaborate and complex.  Literally I was just completely focused not on the overall dreamscape but on the AMAZING beauty and unfolding-complexity of this wallpaper.

I think sometimes that lucid dreaming and obes and remote viewing are all related, on a "spectrum" that might be more circular than a straight line, and that sometimes, a 'doorknobbing' experience might indicate a shift in consciousness.

Just like an 'aesthetic impact' in CRV tends to be a very recognizeable marker of a shift in consciousness and how we are perceiving the target, I think the doorknobbing might be too, in a way nobody's given much thought to yet.  So far, doing it often enough that a person can learn to recognize it is the hard part.  I tend to think that if we could, there might be a certain kind of mental focus which that state of mind was great for.

PJ

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